Steve Mangongo - After having spent most of his coaching car

[cock]

Hhm, it seems you can not write one comment without being anti a white person. Bayhaus at least had the descency to critize Mangongo for saying he would not play whites. At least that shows he is anti any form of racialism where as you only see racialism when it is against whites

[hhm]

Hhm, it seems you can not write one comment without being anti a white person. Bayhaus at least had the descency to critize Mangongo for saying he would not play whites. At least that shows he is anti any form of racialism where as you only see racialism when it is against whites

cock, you are both too young, and too inexperienced to understand factors at play when it comes to black-white relations in Africa, let alone elsewhere. Therefore, I don't think you're qualified to comment or judge my stand on these issues.

For the record, I did not condone that witness account, and I said it would be impossible for Mangongo not to play whites because for example, Taylor is automatic, and how can you justify his exclusion? Bear in mind that Olonga wasn't the only Black who was good enough to play for Zimbabwe at the time, neither was he ever Zimbabwean, but he was the only black in the side yet that was ok. I would not be perturbed by an entirely black Zimbabwean side, just as you are not perturbed by a South African side which does not contain a single black.

The bulk of the Rebels are racist. Such things are well documented. To even imagine they have repented is foolhardy. Their history proves that they are, and always will be bigger racists than Mangongo will ever be. My pointing out positives about people(Mangongo) who a maligned without reason, while these so called heroes' vile track records are overlooked is to be expected. I don't pussyfoot on such subjects.

Your failure and refusal to acknowledge and openly criticise white people's transgressions(Coltart, AC, taylor etc), should not be justification for you to judge those who refuse to accept or exaggerate the alleged or reported transgressions of black figures. Have you noticed how often issues raised about some of these white characters are ignored or downplayed by you guys, as if they're eternally blameless?

Mangongo has achieved far more for his people, than Australian descendants of delinquents have at yielding power to the indigenous people in every sector. Gillespie himself should know that, as together with Dan Christian they are among a handful of the little transformation evidence CA has achieved despite it's long history in the game. They are so desperate they even go to the point of proudly claiming false successes by turning locals into foreigners. Mangongo paved a genuine clear pathway for Zimbabweans, and you're not qualified to judge him either. As far as cricket is concerned, he deserves unquestionable commendation.

Gillespie throwing his weight behind Grant & Heath's exclusion, and making it a subject of note in the social media, lumps him together with the same attitudes. If other developments were none of his business, then this should be none of his business as well. Greater things have happened where Zim cricket is concerned and he was mum about it. Why now?

Where was he when Coltart was jumping between two different directives - illegal ones at that, or when revelations were made that the coaches were interfering with the Convenor's job, or that the captain of his former franchise and current national head coach in cahoots with AC, tried to trick Makoni? Why must he make noises now? If he cares and is so clued up about matters in Zim, then I'm sure he should be in touch with the developments in our media, apart from what Cricinfo has to say. Was he not disappointed to read about those things as well?

[eugene]

Hhm, you have indeed made a transformation over the last month or so. You seem to have turned into someone who would be more at home on the NewZimbabwe.com Forums.

What you fail to mention is how many black players have also been driven away over the past decade or so due to mismanagment of cricket in Zimbabwe. So many have just disappeared to South Africa or to pursue careers outside of cricket. People with the political motivations of Mangongo will end up driving everyone away except for a chosen few at Takashinga. Zimbabwe needs every cricketer it can get at the moment, not to have some thug intimidating players and trying to execute some outdated and misguided socialist revolution.

[Jemisi]

Trying to sell your gleeful racism as principled representation is rich.

Time to have a reality check, Hhm.

[hhm]

Time to have a reality check, Hhm.

After you...

[cock]

Hhm, it seems you can not write one comment without being anti a white person. Bayhaus at least had the descency to critize Mangongo for saying he would not play whites. At least that shows he is anti any form of racialism where as you only see racialism when it is against whites

cock, you are both too young, and too inexperienced to understand factors at play when it comes to black-white relations in Africa, let alone elsewhere. Therefore, I don't think you're qualified to comment or judge my stand on these issues.

For the record, I did not condone that witness account, and I said it would be impossible for Mangongo not to play whites because for example, Taylor is automatic, and how can you justify his exclusion? Bear in mind that Olonga wasn't the only Black who was good enough to play for Zimbabwe at the time, neither was he ever Zimbabwean, but he was the only black in the side yet that was ok. I would not be perturbed by an entirely black Zimbabwean side, just as you are not perturbed by a South African side which does not contain a single black.

The bulk of the Rebels are racist. Such things are well documented. To even imagine they have repented is foolhardy. Their history proves that they are, and always will be bigger racists than Mangongo will ever be. My pointing out positives about people(Mangongo) who a maligned without reason, while these so called heroes' vile track records are overlooked is to be expected. I don't pussyfoot on such subjects.

Your failure and refusal to acknowledge and openly criticise white people's transgressions(Coltart, AC, taylor etc), should not be justification for you to judge those who refuse to accept or exaggerate the alleged or reported transgressions of black figures. Have you noticed how often issues raised about some of these white characters are ignored or downplayed by you guys, as if they're eternally blameless?

Mangongo has achieved far more for his people, than Australian descendants of delinquents have at yielding power to the indigenous people in every sector. Gillespie himself should know that, as together with Dan Christian they are among a handful of the little transformation evidence CA has achieved despite it's long history in the game. They are so desperate they even go to the point of proudly claiming false successes by turning locals into foreigners. Mangongo paved a genuine clear pathway for Zimbabweans, and you're not qualified to judge him either. As far as cricket is concerned, he deserves unquestionable commendation.

Gillespie throwing his weight behind Grant & Heath's exclusion, and making it a subject of note in the social media, lumps him together with the same attitudes. If other developments were none of his business, then this should be none of his business as well. Greater things have happened where Zim cricket is concerned and he was mum about it. Why now?

Where was he when Coltart was jumping between two different directives - illegal ones at that, or when revelations were made that the coaches were interfering with the Convenor's job, or that the captain of his former franchise and current national head coach in cahoots with AC, tried to trick Makoni? Why must he make noises now? If he cares and is so clued up about matters in Zim, then I'm sure he should be in touch with the developments in our media, apart from what Cricinfo has to say. Was he not disappointed to read about those things as well?

HHM how do you now I am too young. I have most probably been around longer than you and have been exposed to the race card for a long time. In the mid 80's I was one of the white players that had to make way for black players in the national hockey team. My farm which was purchased under Zimbabwe law in 1988 was stolen from me because I was white. But I still disagree with racialism whether its black against white or white against black and the only way forward for the Country and National sports is to put all the hatred behind and support a team what ever it may consist of. By the way you said I would not be perturbed about south africa not having any black players. I would not give a damn whether south africa had 11 blacks or 11 whites because I don't give a shit about South African cricket - I follow Zimbabwe Cricket and again I would not mind whether there are 11 blacks or 11 whites as long as it is the best side to represent the country

[Racist]

Cock why would you waste time writing to these fools.as you can see I'm headed under racist not because I'm white because I'm black.my brothers need to get the dust out of their eyes and see what our fools are doing to cricket.

[sloandog]

cock, you are both too young, and too inexperienced to understand factors at play when it comes to black-white relations in Africa, let alone elsewhere. Therefore, I don't think you're qualified to comment or judge my stand on these issues.

What a horrible, assuming, patronizing thing to say

[bayhaus]

Hhm, you have indeed made a transformation over the last month or so. You seem to have turned into someone who would be more at home on the NewZimbabwe.com Forums.

True! I know for a fact there a deep racial divisions at ZC in and out of the team. And what HHM is doing trying to explain what is going on based on what he knows and his own speculations. Race issues when discussed and exposed are rather inconvenient and leave people very uncomfortable, so most people would rather shy away from these issues and avoid them like the plague. Chingoka has confirmed there are race issues. So if we can speculate about who goes into an XI how can we not speculate about who the culprits are. Alternatively come up with the facts or your opinion why the accused are not acting racist and have personal agendas.

Have you noticed how often issues raised about some of these white characters are ignored or downplayed by you guys, as if they're eternally blameless?

This I agree with though AC, HS, lost my respect for the things they said and did. I think a lot of people still can't believe that AC teamed up with OB to milk ZC, and the issue of conflict of interest was downplayed for all sorts of reasons.

[Jemisi]

Time to have a reality check, Hhm.

After you...

Running short of gentle ways to put things. Your character is on display. People are not making judgments of you for no reason. In the end the forum doesn't matter. But if you resemble your online self irl...