Bizarre story about Taylor and Cremer

[ZIMDOGGY]

"I listened to a podcast by Geoff Boycott where he was scathing about it....he really summed it up well."

Id like tp post something here about that comment but will refrain as dont want to get told off. But will say Geoff Boycott does NOT represent all us Brits in his opinions .I listened to half of his rant on the radio and in the end turned the sound down. His fellow commentator at the time did everything he could to try and change the subject as once again Boycott opened his mouth without careing who he offended. Sorry not my fav person.

Im sure alot of people will disagree with me too and thats fine we all are entitled to our opinions but just wanted to point out we dont all agree with what he preaches.

I am referring to the podcast on cricinfo, but im sure the same things apply...

I dont understand if your a brit how you could disagree with those sentiments?

I'm not a brit and even i feel bad for England.

These players are moving to your country for the money and money only.
They are not playing for pride, they are playing for a payday.

If that happened in Australia they would change the law regarding qualification quickly.
Boycott has no issue with players born overseas, just the ones who are coming over for the wrong reasons.

England have Prior,Kieswetter,Strauss,Pietersen, Mascarenhas (although he might have been born there but not raised) Eion Morgan and Trott who are all non Englishman in the team....If Ervine and Price were good enough- and they are damn close- they would also be playing for England.

Trott was even in the dressing room celebrating with the SA boys after the world cup.....Hes obviously a Saffer at heart.

This means:
-England are a team of non Englishman, merceneries playing for money....
-It can destroy the talent in SA and Zim. If price or Ervine had played even one game....that destroys their zimbabwe representation. Imagine the current team without Ray price! SA will go down a similar route very soon.
-English public will lose interest when they realise that englishman,arent playing for England- imagine 5 pakistanis in the Indian team who moved for IPL money!
-SA public MAY lose interest when they realise so many people have betrayed their country.



I think its a disgusting state of affairs....W e arent talking abiout 1 or 2 players here either, which wouldnt be too bad.

[sloandog]

imagine 5 pakistanis in the Indian team who moved for IPL money!

Less of the racism man. I'm not even an administrator of the forum but i know when somebody steps over that line

[maehara]

Less of the racism man.

Action has been taken.

Langauge used aside, though, ZIMDOGGY has a point there - England isn't really an English side anymore. Also, the combination of the qualification rules and the Kolpak system have turned England into a giant hoover of cricketing talent, sucking it in from other countries who need that talent to survive themselves. SA can arguably live with it, they've got no shortage of talent themselves, but Ireland and Zimbabwe? Not so good for us.

[Lou]

Im afraid Im not going to go into my full reasons for disagreeing with Mr Boycott as they are personal and not something I want to discuss here. (I get told off for saying too much as it is). But arent we all entitled to work where we choose to in whatever job we do? And Im sorry but I know that there are players who dont just do it for the money.But lets be fair this is a job at the end of the day and you go where its best for you as anyone would in any place of work.
Like I said everyones entitled to opinions and I do understand the other side of things too .Theres always two sides to every story. Ive seen both.

Anyway glad to see the initial reason for this thread appears to be unfounded.

[bayhaus]

But arent we all entitled to work where we choose to in whatever job we do?

i agree with Lou, look at Beast who is playing for the Springboks that is a one helluva an achievement to play for the frontline of the Boks! He belts out the national anthem at the start of the game. hes there to work. Its a job! He would never have reached those dizzy heights playing for Zim rugby. I think its the same with all expats in various countries who are offering their expertise to their adopted countries at the expense of their own countries.

[maehara]

But arent we all entitled to work where we choose to in whatever job we do?

At a club level, absolutely. But at a national level... It's about a nation's players, playing for their nation, and the idea of people being able to switch about purely because of the pay or prospects really doesn't sit well with me.

As far as national qualification rules go, I think FIFA have the right idea: once you've played for a national side at U19 level or higher, that's it, you can't change your designation. Ever. Doesn't stop you from playing club football wherever you choose to, and stops the problem with national sides poaching players, as England are accused of doing in cricket, and New Zealand are accused of doing in rugby union.

[Lou]

Thanks. Im not saying what others have said here is wrong or Im right and I do agree to a certain extent as far as I understand the worry that some countries are worried about the knock on effect of loseing players. But I sometimes think fans of sport have to realise that as great as it is to be able to work at something you love it is also a job and players have to consider that too. I work in the film/TV industry if Im offered a job abroad Im not going to turn it down cos its not a British film as much as Id love back the Brit film industry all the time.You go where the work is and with your future in mind. Especially in Sports careers.
Can see how it effects Zim team but not sure how Ireland are effected as players come over and play County Cricket but are released for Irelands games anyway so get to improve their game by playing professionaly but still play for their own country too.
Wont comment on Eng set up as I wont make assumptions about people I dont know personally. I only know one of the Eng players and he's Brit born.
But just a thought if we "Brits" traced our ancesters back far enough Im not sure any of us could claim to be true blood Brits possibly Italian(Roman Invasion) French(Normans) North European(Vikings)

[Lou]

It's about a nation's players, playing for their nation

Fair enough. What do you do if your parents are both different nationality and you can in theory play for both? Which nation should you be patrotic to then?
Guess you'd say the one your born in but then you may have moved to the other one at an early age and not even remember anything about the country your born in. Hmmm not always so easy to choose.

[Lou]

Anyway Im done ranting cos we will never agree on all of this. I just know how it effects people I know and since the ECB have now altered the laws on Kolpaks and Immigrations backed them up it shouldnt be such a problem.
I have noticed some people speculating on the availability of ex Eng Kolpak playing domestic Zim cricket getting into Zim national team erm is that a different situation then?
On that note Im off to watch a load of different nations playing IPL and then Rugby Union later.

[sloandog]

On that note Im off to watch a load of different nations playing IPL

Yeah good choice Lou. Very entertaining tournament