racial mix of the side

[Zimfanatic69]

Interesting that Bafana Bafana could field starting XIs without any white players - the Springboks get criticised for fielding teams with an 11-4 mix. Double standards it seems.

not really. soccer has always been the sport of the black and the coloured in south africa. it is fully integrated. rugby is the boers sport and was the sport of the racist. it is not now and has not been for years but it was always a sport that excluded blacks and coloureds. the impetus to get these people into the team has to be welcomed.

[bayhaus]

Bafana Bafana

Who the heck are they

[eugene]

Bafana Bafana

Who the heck are they

Lol.

[Conant]

a few points that Zim doggy thinks...

a) our team isnt strong enough to afford to start picking people on other reasons besides merit.
b) quotas disenchants players and hey go to england or aus. Pietersens move was a direct result of his own disgust at this.
c) im white, but if the situation were reversed and the top 11 players were negros the 3 or 4 token whites in the team were affecting performance of the teami would feel embarrased and inadequate. I would probably feel the same if i were black.
d) the above is irrelevant anyway as Elton,Taibu,Rainsford,Hamilton,prosper and cremer are all regulars in the side anyway.
e) IF quotas MUST be introduced, just do it at domestic level? dont let the national team suffer.
f) As eugne said...bottom up, not top down. Given the population s what it is grassroots cricket will naturally have more negros coming through anyway. I personally believe after the current crop we wont see a white fast bowler again.

In this day and age Zimdoggy, it is unacceptable to use the word negro. Or are you actually older than the "real mackay's" age suggests?

[Conant]

Interesting that Bafana Bafana could field starting XIs without any white players - the Springboks get criticised for fielding teams with an 11-4 mix. Double standards it seems.

Eugene you are missing the point entirely

[eugene]

Interesting that Bafana Bafana could field starting XIs without any white players - the Springboks get criticised for fielding teams with an 11-4 mix. Double standards it seems.

Eugene you are missing the point entirely

How so?

[Mike]

If quotas were introduced I would say good bye to Zimbabwe cricket. Wasn't that one of the reasons in which the rebels went on strike?

It would be a backward step and replace everything which has gone so well since 2009ish.

And we have black players already. I think South Africa envy us by us being able to play a lot of black players and white players in the same team.

the rebels went on strike to get contracts that paid more elsewhere, IMHO.

Agree about Safrica.

Ah right, I thought that was the reason. I'm sorry!

Like I've said many times, Ive only recently kept a close eye on Zimbabwe cricket

[eugene]

The rebels went on strike for many reasons - money, quotas, political interference, loss of player power.

[Conant]

Interesting that Bafana Bafana could field starting XIs without any white players - the Springboks get criticised for fielding teams with an 11-4 mix. Double standards it seems.

Eugene you are missing the point entirely

How so?

Because firstly a quota system is introduced to balance out inequalities between the haves and the have nots. The Whites in South Africa mostly have it all. And it’s designed to shift some measure of control to the majority. Don't get me wrong here; I’m not a proponent of the quota system. My limited experience of it has only been chaos all round and appalling suffering for all (cue: land reform)

The whites in South Africa have no interest in domestic soccer, and that entirely by their own choice. So introducing quotas for soccer in SA is akin to forcing whites to take up the sport.

There is a white player, Mathew Booth in the South African (and Rowen Fernandez) and even he doesn’t really fit the bill of a quality player. Clubs would gladly have a quality white in player in their side if they could find one.

In rugby or cricket however, the argument is that BLACK players are interested in the sports about are being prevented from doing so by doggy systems and cultures of exclusivity.

Nobody is preventing whites from soccer.

That’s where you miss the point

[eugene]

Expanding on your points Conant, my argument would be that no one is preventing blacks from playing cricket in Zimbabwe so therefore a quota system is unnecessary in this day and age.