Corona

[Googly]

No you’ve nailed it with the left, half baked biased liberal journalists and Moslem fundamentalists, and twats that are happy with tanking the world economy because they’re terrified that if they leave the house 0.05% of them might die. And mighty proud of my Rhodesian roots, finest people this world has ever been graced with.
I’ll keep the folk updated about the Corona scam here as well, biggest con ever inflicted on a continent.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Oh my word, Joe HIldebrand...please, don't speak of what you don't know Doggy. Pretty sure you present racist views and misogyny.

Explain?

You highlight Joe as if he is the pinnacle of journalism in Aus. He appears on a day time show that has an audience of people who have retired and stay at home moms. His segments are about things like, "How to get your dog out of the house" and he writes articles for a newspaper claiming to understand political landscape, yet does so without facts and backing to his case.

Most people in Aus are not aware of Joe, but also his reputation is his own doing. He has often come out with wrong information to back up a claim and spoken about something only to flip on it as quick as he could.

I remember Joe in the mid 2000s writing for the telegraph and it was always a left wing shit show that used to anger me. Even though I have seen snippets of his face on that day show, I have no idea what it is or seen him.

I then see him pop up with articles on news.com.au about two years back with articles that criticise 'his fellow left' for surprising free speech. Nowadays he seems treated as a right winger, he's definitely riding a wave similar to other right wing talking heads.

But even without him, the ultimate point is a lot of liberals are being excluded from discussion. The centre left Bill Maher type. It's a train wreck.

It's ok for me though as it's showing a lot of people the problems I've been seeing for years. But I do wonder what world these hard lefties live in. Not reality.

[zimbos_05]

No you’ve nailed it with the left, half baked biased liberal journalists and Moslem fundamentalists, and twats that are happy with tanking the world economy because they’re terrified that if they leave the house 0.05% of them might die. And mighty proud of my Rhodesian roots, finest people this world has ever been graced with.
I’ll keep the folk updated about the Corona scam here as well, biggest con ever inflicted on a continent.

Is this even English?

I remember Joe in the mid 2000s writing for the telegraph and it was always a left wing shit show that used to anger me. Even though I have seen snippets of his face on that day show, I have no idea what it is or seen him.

I then see him pop up with articles on news.com.au about two years back with articles that criticise 'his fellow left' for surprising free speech. Nowadays he seems treated as a right winger, he's definitely riding a wave similar to other right wing talking heads.

But even without him, the ultimate point is a lot of liberals are being excluded from discussion. The centre left Bill Maher type. It's a train wreck.

It's ok for me though as it's showing a lot of people the problems I've been seeing for years. But I do wonder what world these hard lefties live in. Not reality.

His views and ideas that he has been writing in news.com.au are very right leaning. He has been blaming the likes of the Greens and Labor for the issues that Australia has been going through lately and has been excusing the Liberals and Morrison for a lot.

[ZIMDOGGY]

I agree and that's the point I made. The left are pushing the centre to the right. Or are classifying them as right.

Even myself, I don't know what I am.

I am not pro gun at all, although I'm very pragmatic to the American cause that has to deal with 360 million guns in circulation. Where I don't think the left cry of 'ban them' is helpful at all in THEIR context.

I am very strong borders to a passionate level and feel nothing else can function properly and you lose national identity and culture when the gates are open. Imagine how well Oz could have done with even strong borders? Since we closed it we have virtually killed it. This includes being very anti refugee for the most part because the system is abused (separate issue).

But I'm pro Medicare for all, and agree capitalism needs some limits as things need to be kept sacred or centralised.

Where Bernie Sanders lost me is his open border policy, it screws up his health and uni benefits.

And how can you raise the min wage drastically and have the borders open? Just invites cheap imported labour.

A strong borders Bernie is very appealing to me. But he lost the white vote for the Mexican vote and Trump showed us that's not smart.

[Kriterion_BD]

No you’ve nailed it with the left, half baked biased liberal journalists and Moslem fundamentalists,

Same could be said of the global right. A mix of high school dropouts turned plumbers/farmers/miners + religious fundementalists who believe the entire universe is just 6000 years old + corporations that pay no taxes.

The irony is of course that conservative Muslims have 90% similarities with the right: women are 2nd class citizens, anti-abortion, anti-free speech, love of war/violence/guns, and hate gays.

[Kriterion_BD]

Interesting to note that now all the "capitalists" want their $1200 communist handout entitlement checks, because they are out of a job due to no fault of their own. If they really care, they should return their 1200 to the government or donate their 1200 checks to the billionaires or give their 1200 dollars to the first minority/person of color they see.

[zimbos_05]

I agree and that's the point I made. The left are pushing the centre to the right. Or are classifying them as right.

Even myself, I don't know what I am.

I am not pro gun at all, although I'm very pragmatic to the American cause that has to deal with 360 million guns in circulation. Where I don't think the left cry of 'ban them' is helpful at all in THEIR context.

I am very strong borders to a passionate level and feel nothing else can function properly and you lose national identity and culture when the gates are open. Imagine how well Oz could have done with even strong borders? Since we closed it we have virtually killed it. This includes being very anti refugee for the most part because the system is abused (separate issue).

But I'm pro Medicare for all, and agree capitalism needs some limits as things need to be kept sacred or centralised.

Where Bernie Sanders lost me is his open border policy, it screws up his health and uni benefits.

And how can you raise the min wage drastically and have the borders open? Just invites cheap imported labour.

A strong borders Bernie is very appealing to me. But he lost the white vote for the Mexican vote and Trump showed us that's not smart.

I agree to the point of saying that there are people on both sides who push the centrists one way or another.

With the gun issue, banning is from looking at other countries that have done it and asking, why can't the same be implemented, and the debate gets heated because the arguments for keeping them don't make any logical sense.

Aus couldn't have a closed border policy. What you are suggesting is a throwback to the White Aus Policy where only the whites were allowed in and the whites were given all the privilege. Aus could not be closed bordered because it is not a sustainable enough population. As an island, having a population of 25mill is not sustainable in a land as big as it is. I am of the view that a closed border is not ideal, but a stricter policy is.

The other issue with Aus is that the current Liberal govt closed border policy is selective. It works for those who are not Liberals and doesn't work for those who aren't. This has been evidenced by Duttons blatant abuse of the system and myriad ways of trying to institute white privilege through it. In saying that, if you are asian and have tons of money, Dutton loves you, regardless of any criminal activity or how much you benefit China. Border control has become an issue of race.

The idea of not raising the minimum wage is often lost because people forget that raising the minimum wage is about equal share of wealth. The money is there for increase in wage, or subsidised education, or healthcare, but it is being spent on other things that don't need it.

[Googly]

When you create a welfare state the immigrants get there somehow, abuse the system until it’s and breaking point and white privilege pays for all of it. It’s the same in every single country.
Kriterion I see your third world medical friends running WHO have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, big surprise there. Not only that, as late as end of January they were calling Trump’s Chinese travel ban scare mongering, all the while helping China cover up their cover-up. And you have to dig a little deeper for this information because every single headline is about Trump’s supposed delayed response being responsible for American deaths, Fauci’s support of Trump’s handling is blatantly ignored.
The WHO will have vacillated between don’t panic and masks don’t work, panic and stay in you houses and no it’s ok go about your business, but please wear masks and try not to climb over each other in the space of 2 months.
My dog’s response to Covid is more plausible than your supposed medical expert friends.

Now the hysterical rants about Trump deliberately trying to collapse World health when he’s threatening to cut funding. That donor list will make the same sad old reading, and they always put third world thieves in charge of vast sums of money and wonder why these organizations are bottomless pits and achieve very little, all the while telling the First World how to spend their money. We see WHO land-cruisers driving around Harare all the time, I doubt one of them has been past the outskirts of town in 30 years. Prior to that we didn’t need them because our health care system worked.

[Googly]

Kriterion your rants about capitalism are just sad, and comparing conservatives to religious radicals and their barbaric behavior proves my argument, you supposedly moderate lot enable it.

[Googly]

Here’s what your WHO professionals have come up with so far. They’re on top of it
Just in case you were a bit confused:

Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:

1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.

2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.

3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.

4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.

5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.

6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.

7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.

8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.

9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.

10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..

12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…

13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).

14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.

15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.

16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?

17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with "I don't want to trigger panic, but…"

18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.

19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.

20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.

22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.

23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…

24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).

25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?