Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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CalZim wrote:
Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:43 am
secretzimbo wrote:
Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:19 am
For all the criticism (including mine) of Wes, that's now 11 50's for his country before the age of 22. Not bad. Needs to convert next.
Yeah he shows now and again what he can do. 72 against the likes of Hazelwood and Starc is some achievement.

Dropping him that last game has definitely helped him.

Let’s hope he finds some consistency to improve that average.
Hopeful but I wont feel like he`ll gain consistency until he`s at least 25. Fingers crossed though

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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The key for Madhevere and Marumani is being consistent. The Aussies will know who they are now and so will the other elite sides.

72 is the beginning of a good innings from Wes. 40s and 50s won't win you too many ODIs, but 70s and 80s can start to be match winning knocks.

Very positive to keep Zimbabwe ahead of the fray in the next decade.
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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Overall from the BD series to India to now, ZIM are considerably better than under Rajput.
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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Still missing a genuine power hitter down the order such as Andy Blignaut or elton chigumbura. Burl doesnt really cut the mustard or Jongwe for that matter. Couple more average series he is in Malcolm Waller territory.
Thankfully for him he can bowl leg spin

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Burl could become much more than a part time leggie.
The best leggies devote a couple of hours a day to learning their craft. To do that and keep up your batting is a huge task, hence the almost complete absence of batsmen/leggies. Off the top of my head I can't think of any really good ones.
Burl has a high ceiling as a batsman as well.

What always puzzles me a bit is that once guys makes the Zim squad is their absolute reluctance to play franchise cricket and they mostly opt entirely out of club.
The guys who play franchise opt out of club.
Do they suddenly now think the quality is not good enough or they're too good? Their stats indicate otherwise.
All these good players when they retire talk about giving back to the game. In our environment the time to give back is by playing club and franchise right now and raising the standard.
You have to get in the volume. Ideally quality and volume, but without quality at least tick one box. It should be in all their contracts- to play a minimum of 40 games a year, hit x number of balls a week in the nets and bowl x number of overs and eat only one pie a week as a special treat.

I once watched Morkel play a second team Surrey game. The two opposition openers weren't even contracted players and he got given a lesson, was wicketless and expensive.
These English players often get through about 40 games or more in their season, then another 20-30 in their off season. That's a shed load of cricket. As a batter if you're putting in that amount of cricket you start to get really pissed off when you go out. Our dudes just smile and wave.

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Googly wrote:
Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:37 am
Burl could become much more than a part time leggie.
The best leggies devote a couple of hours a day to learning their craft. To do that and keep up your batting is a huge task, hence the almost complete absence of batsmen/leggies. Off the top of my head I can't think of any really good ones.
Burl has a high ceiling as a batsman as well.

What always puzzles me a bit is that once guys makes the Zim squad is their absolute reluctance to play franchise cricket and they mostly opt entirely out of club.
The guys who play franchise opt out of club.
Do they suddenly now think the quality is not good enough or they're too good? Their stats indicate otherwise.
All these good players when they retire talk about giving back to the game. In our environment the time to give back is by playing club and franchise right now and raising the standard.
You have to get in the volume. Ideally quality and volume, but without quality at least tick one box. It should be in all their contracts- to play a minimum of 40 games a year, hit x number of balls a week in the nets and bowl x number of overs and eat only one pie a week as a special treat.

I once watched Morkel play a second team Surrey game. The two opposition openers weren't even contracted players and he got given a lesson, was wicketless and expensive.
These English players often get through about 40 games or more in their season, then another 20-30 in their off season. That's a shed load of cricket. As a batter if you're putting in that amount of cricket you start to get really pissed off when you go out. Our dudes just smile and wave.
Afridi was pretty good as both.

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Every single batsman in our lineup is capable of at least 50 against the Aussies.

That’s not the issue though. The issue is we very rarely get consistency from anyone.

This is what makes an international cricketer from a domestic one.
Peopel talk about talent but anyone can lol flash in the net. I can, most people here can after some training.
But cricketing talent is largely consistency based.
As Eugene said just recently, we need just once three batsman to step up in the one game. We never get it.
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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Donald wrote:
Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:57 pm
Still missing a genuine power hitter down the order such as Andy Blignaut or elton chigumbura. Burl doesnt really cut the mustard or Jongwe for that matter. Couple more average series he is in Malcolm Waller territory.
Thankfully for him he can bowl leg spin
Some people may disagree but for be Malcolm Waller was a better batsman than Burl. Had more shorts and would play shots all around the wicket. Probably struggled due to a lack of a defined role in the side.

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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Googly wrote:
Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:37 am
What always puzzles me a bit is that once guys makes the Zim squad is their absolute reluctance to play franchise cricket and they mostly opt entirely out of club.
The guys who play franchise opt out of club.
Do they suddenly now think the quality is not good enough or they're too good? Their stats indicate otherwise.
All these good players when they retire talk about giving back to the game. In our environment the time to give back is by playing club and franchise right now and raising the standard.
You have to get in the volume. Ideally quality and volume, but without quality at least tick one box. It should be in all their contracts- to play a minimum of 40 games a year, hit x number of balls a week in the nets and bowl x number of overs and eat only one pie a week as a special treat.

I once watched Morkel play a second team Surrey game. The two opposition openers weren't even contracted players and he got given a lesson, was wicketless and expensive.
These English players often get through about 40 games or more in their season, then another 20-30 in their off season. That's a shed load of cricket. As a batter if you're putting in that amount of cricket you start to get really pissed off when you go out. Our dudes just smile and wave.
Pretty much everyone played Franchise last season. As for club, pretty much every black player played some Vigne and NPL last season too. But I don't think Ervine, Williams, Burl or Raza played a single club match all season.

Wes and Shumba turned up for a club match in Bindura a couple of days after the T20WC Qualifier ended. That was nice to see.

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Re: Australia Vs Zimbabwe | 1st ODI | 28th Aug 2022

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zimfan1 wrote:
Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:10 am
Donald wrote:
Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:57 pm
Still missing a genuine power hitter down the order such as Andy Blignaut or elton chigumbura. Burl doesnt really cut the mustard or Jongwe for that matter. Couple more average series he is in Malcolm Waller territory.
Thankfully for him he can bowl leg spin
Some people may disagree but for be Malcolm Waller was a better batsman than Burl. Had more shorts and would play shots all around the wicket. Probably struggled due to a lack of a defined role in the side.
He was strikingly effective and a match winner on his day, but he had the technique and consistency of a tail ender.

I always said if he played foir a team like Australia, he would be a number 9 or even 10 bat.

He is on par (maybe even behind) Mitch Starc as a batter.
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