racial mix of the side

[Conant]

Expanding on your points Conant, my argument would be that no one is preventing blacks from playing cricket in Zimbabwe so therefore a quota system is unnecessary in this day and age.

A qouta system in Zimbabwe is totally uncalled for

[eugene]

At least we can agree on this issue.

[ZIMDOGGY]

a few points that Zim doggy thinks...

a) our team isnt strong enough to afford to start picking people on other reasons besides merit.
b) quotas disenchants players and hey go to england or aus. Pietersens move was a direct result of his own disgust at this.
c) im white, but if the situation were reversed and the top 11 players were negros the 3 or 4 token whites in the team were affecting performance of the teami would feel embarrased and inadequate. I would probably feel the same if i were black.
d) the above is irrelevant anyway as Elton,Taibu,Rainsford,Hamilton,prosper and cremer are all regulars in the side anyway.
e) IF quotas MUST be introduced, just do it at domestic level? dont let the national team suffer.
f) As eugne said...bottom up, not top down. Given the population s what it is grassroots cricket will naturally have more negros coming through anyway. I personally believe after the current crop we wont see a white fast bowler again.

In this day and age Zimdoggy, it is unacceptable to use the word negro. Or are you actually older than the "real mackay's" age suggests?

Negro is not a racial epithet and is simply spanish for 'black'.

It is considered the official term for black people collectively in statistics in places like brazil, argentina, alot of europe etc etc.

I've even heard that referring to someone as 'a black' is inappropriate too so its hard to win.

Theres no malice there so i wouldnt worry too much about it.

much respect.

[bayhaus]

The whites in South Africa have no interest in domestic soccer, and that entirely by their own choice. So introducing quotas for soccer in SA is akin to forcing whites to take up the sport.

Another thing I have noticed is that Blacks in SA don't like to have anything associated with whites, so it can also be blamed on the apartheid background and a certain generation will have to pass, before the interest can take root, currently its just used as a political tool and nothing is ever really done about it, cos with all its resources, SA's ground roots especially for cricket is miles behind Zim, based on my own observations. Besides most of them want to be in the entertainment industry!

[eugene]

a few points that Zim doggy thinks...

a) our team isnt strong enough to afford to start picking people on other reasons besides merit.
b) quotas disenchants players and hey go to england or aus. Pietersens move was a direct result of his own disgust at this.
c) im white, but if the situation were reversed and the top 11 players were negros the 3 or 4 token whites in the team were affecting performance of the teami would feel embarrased and inadequate. I would probably feel the same if i were black.
d) the above is irrelevant anyway as Elton,Taibu,Rainsford,Hamilton,prosper and cremer are all regulars in the side anyway.
e) IF quotas MUST be introduced, just do it at domestic level? dont let the national team suffer.
f) As eugne said...bottom up, not top down. Given the population s what it is grassroots cricket will naturally have more negros coming through anyway. I personally believe after the current crop we wont see a white fast bowler again.

In this day and age Zimdoggy, it is unacceptable to use the word negro. Or are you actually older than the "real mackay's" age suggests?

Negro is not a racial epithet and is simply spanish for 'black'.

It is considered the official term for black people collectively in statistics in places like brazil, argentina, alot of europe etc etc.

I've even heard that referring to someone as 'a black' is inappropriate too so its hard to win.

Theres no malice there so i wouldnt worry too much about it.

much respect.

In the 2010 USA Census, Negro was actually a racial category as a sizeable group of blacks in the USA actually prefer to be classed as negro.

[Conant]

a few points that Zim doggy thinks...

a) our team isnt strong enough to afford to start picking people on other reasons besides merit.
b) quotas disenchants players and hey go to england or aus. Pietersens move was a direct result of his own disgust at this.
c) im white, but if the situation were reversed and the top 11 players were negros the 3 or 4 token whites in the team were affecting performance of the teami would feel embarrased and inadequate. I would probably feel the same if i were black.
d) the above is irrelevant anyway as Elton,Taibu,Rainsford,Hamilton,prosper and cremer are all regulars in the side anyway.
e) IF quotas MUST be introduced, just do it at domestic level? dont let the national team suffer.
f) As eugne said...bottom up, not top down. Given the population s what it is grassroots cricket will naturally have more negros coming through anyway. I personally believe after the current crop we wont see a white fast bowler again.

In this day and age Zimdoggy, it is unacceptable to use the word negro. Or are you actually older than the "real mackay's" age suggests?

Negro is not a racial epithet and is simply spanish for 'black'.

It is considered the official term for black people collectively in statistics in places like brazil, argentina, alot of europe etc etc.

I've even heard that referring to someone as 'a black' is inappropriate too so its hard to win.

Theres no malice there so i wouldnt worry too much about it.

much respect.

In the 2010 USA Census, Negro was actually a racial category as a sizeable group of blacks in the USA actually prefer to be classed as negro.[/quote]

You use your source much selectively, zimdoggy. I will select also: "The word ‘negro’ means ‘black’ in Spanish and Portuguese, from the Latin niger ("black") and Greek Νέγρος Négros ("black"). The usage was accepted as normal, even by people classified as Negroes, until the Civil Rights movement.

"The United States Census Bureau announced that Negro would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American," because some older Black Americans nevertheless self-identify with the term."

Note the term "nevertheless", which implies "despite its racial permutations, older people did not mind being referred to as ‘negroes’”.

To borrow one from your lingo, zimdoggy, just because a few women have reclaimed or would like to claim the word c*nt does not mean it is acceptable to call them thus.

No, no malice there. Just mischief

[eugene]

Zimdoggy, I dont think Cremer is black so he wouldn't count towards any quota.

[Conant]

[ SA's ground roots especially for cricket is miles behind Zim, based on my own observations. Besides most of them want to be in the entertainment industry!

Too much faro (joy) in SA

[bayhaus]

faro (joy)

That ALL they ever think of. They will be caught flat footed WHEN SA goes Zims route, which is a matter of time only, albeit with much worse consequences...

[ZIMDOGGY]

Zimdoggy, I dont think Cremer is black so he wouldn't count towards any quota.

ok he may not be black in the same way stuart matsikenyeri is black but he doesnt look anglo either.

A portugese Zimbabwean perhaps?


ive always been curious about the "antonio Banderas of Cricket"-Tony Greig.