[Match Thread]: Zimbabwe vs India, 3rd ODI

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cricket_22001 wrote:I thought the idea of 2 divisions of test cricket would sustain actually Zimbabwe- providing they stayed in the top 12. Dave Richardson was quoted as saying the monies generated from T20 cricket was more than enough to sustain 2 divisions & Zimbabwe are only obligated to 4 home tests every 2 years.
As low as Zimbabwe are right now, they aren't the 13th ranked team.
This.

I definitely see 2 divisions as a positive for Zim. Will guarantee a decent number of games against similar quality opposition.

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Thanks for that post, Kriterion, it lit up an otherwise gloomy day.

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foreignfield wrote:Thanks for that post, Kriterion, it lit up an otherwise gloomy day.
You're welcome!
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
grant wrote:Most of these guys have been around for so long, but they only seem to get worse.....
They were definitely a lot better a few years ago than they are now..........
Lack of fixtures meant lack of exposure and teams didn't really know what to do. So it took a few overs or a few games for teams to realize you don't need to do anything extra, just bowl and eventually they will find a way to get out whilst also not scoring many runs from the deliveries they manage to survive.

And just milk the bowlers, and when they bowl the bad one, punish it.

With all the fixtures ZIM got after the last world cup, it allowed teams to analyze them better.

ZIM progressively gets worse as a series progresses...why? Because the other team be it Australia or Afghanistan studies their game, finds out what went wrong, and then makes the appropriate adjustment (bowl more stump to stump, rotate strike more in the opening 10 over PP, etc). ZIM does the following:

- WIlliams injures himself eating his breakfast cereal by somehow having a cheerio hit his eye resulting in a corneal abrasion - misses the entire series
- Hamilton is well Hamilton and scores boatloads of runs against Uganda Minister's 4th XI and then proceeds to struggle against whichever non-minnow team he faces
- Ervine who was scoring runs, albeit against a 2nd string England attack, is dropped in place of Brightness Chakabunga, List A average 5.79 from 50 caps.
- Panyangara manages to gain another 5 kg during the ODI series...and it was a one-off ODI!
- Jongwe decides that a batting average of 15 and a bowling average of 40 are terrific and instead of practicing, he chugs beers like he's Irish.
- Raza, flatters to decieve
- Somehow guys like Chibabha, Muzarabani, and Maruma get recalled while the only talented cricketers in ZIM leave the country on university scholarships, only to return if and when they find out England is no easy place to play cricket.

ZC admin pockets a cool million from the incoming tours, and the whole process is rinsed and repeated.
haha this was one of those rare times that i laughed out loud at something written on the ZC Forum when i saw it last night (i wasnt arsed logging into my account).

All so true. It's funny that an american guy that likes Bangladesh cricket foremost 'gets it' when alot of zimbabweans,their fans and their admin dont get it.

I especially liked the attempt at a zimbabwean name.
Brightness Chakabunga lol.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Kriterion_BD wrote:
grant wrote:Most of these guys have been around for so long, but they only seem to get worse.....
They were definitely a lot better a few years ago than they are now..........
Lack of fixtures meant lack of exposure and teams didn't really know what to do. So it took a few overs or a few games for teams to realize you don't need to do anything extra, just bowl and eventually they will find a way to get out whilst also not scoring many runs from the deliveries they manage to survive.

And just milk the bowlers, and when they bowl the bad one, punish it.

With all the fixtures ZIM got after the last world cup, it allowed teams to analyze them better.

ZIM progressively gets worse as a series progresses...why? Because the other team be it Australia or Afghanistan studies their game, finds out what went wrong, and then makes the appropriate adjustment (bowl more stump to stump, rotate strike more in the opening 10 over PP, etc). ZIM does the following:

- WIlliams injures himself eating his breakfast cereal by somehow having a cheerio hit his eye resulting in a corneal abrasion - misses the entire series
- Hamilton is well Hamilton and scores boatloads of runs against Uganda Minister's 4th XI and then proceeds to struggle against whichever non-minnow team he faces
- Ervine who was scoring runs, albeit against a 2nd string England attack, is dropped in place of Brightness Chakabunga, List A average 5.79 from 50 caps.
- Panyangara manages to gain another 5 kg during the ODI series...and it was a one-off ODI!
- Jongwe decides that a batting average of 15 and a bowling average of 40 are terrific and instead of practicing, he chugs beers like he's Irish.
- Raza, flatters to decieve
- Somehow guys like Chibabha, Muzarabani, and Maruma get recalled while the only talented cricketers in ZIM leave the country on university scholarships, only to return if and when they find out England is no easy place to play cricket.

ZC admin pockets a cool million from the incoming tours, and the whole process is rinsed and repeated.
haha this was one of those rare times that i laughed out loud at something written on the ZC Forum when i saw it last night (i wasnt arsed logging into my account).

All so true. It's funny that an american guy that likes Bangladesh cricket foremost 'gets it' when alot of zimbabweans,their fans and their admin dont get it.

I especially liked the attempt at a zimbabwean name.
Brightness Chakabunga lol.
I probably know more about ZIM cricket than any other non-ZIM fan. Thats all due to ZCF and the posters here. I really didn't even start paying attention till 2011 or so when ZIM won the comeback Test vs BD. Back then I was a ZIM well wisher as it looked as though ZIM were headed in the right direction.

Thanks for the appreciation...I tried to call it just how I saw it. ZIM does seem to have a bit of potential with the last U-19 batch of black cricketers, and there is still just a sliver of light at the end of the tunnel.

But the current group, everyone needs to be sacked beginning with Elton and Hamilton and especially Sibanda. I'd only leave Ervine, Cremer, and Chatara (maybe Williams and Raza too, just maybe) and send everyone else home permanently.
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Another thing I never see anyone mentioning is the only decent black cricketers Zimbabwe has produced were firmly under the tutelage under the 'white admin'.

What black player has excited the fans besides Hamilton, taibu?
Prosper, may so and busi are other recent players that fall into this category too.

Chatara? He hasn't sold me, just doesn't look skilful
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:Another thing I never see anyone mentioning is the only decent black cricketers Zimbabwe has produced were firmly under the tutelage under the 'white admin'.

What black player has excited the fans besides Hamilton, taibu?
Prosper, may so and busi are other recent players that fall into this category too.

Chatara? He hasn't sold me, just doesn't look skilful
Under a white admin by a black coach , the so much loathed Steve Mangongo. You just cant help being a racist can you? Lucky you went to Australia or else you would have been miserable in New Zealand.

No, zimdoggy, that the so called talented players were tutored under a white administration mean very little at all, it is merely incidental and with enough resources, which the whites had, a competent black administration can do the same thing. If this so called white admin had enough foresight, they would have tried spreading the game wider, would have promoted talented black batsmen instead of the token tearaway black bowler, and wouldn't have suppressed the likes of Trevor Madondo and other players to the point of near revolt.

Remember how Heath Streak tried to resist Tatenda Taibuu elevation to the national team in favour of Donald Campbell? That was just bad judgement and foresight pal, and it was actions like those that also led us to where we are right now. So guess what: bad admin. By a white admin.

Chatara hasn't sold you? Sure, he's injured now but if you still didn't rate him before injury... well your are entitled to your opinion. Which is always prejudiced of course.

Yes, currently we suck at admin and accountability, and true Bob drove us to the ground (which incidentally is the genesis of ALL our problems including cricket), but don't use it to justify your thinly disguised racism, bro. ;)

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Madondo was garbage, a token. If he hadn't died no one would remember him at all.
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Conant wrote:
ZIMDOGGY wrote:Another thing I never see anyone mentioning is the only decent black cricketers Zimbabwe has produced were firmly under the tutelage under the 'white admin'.

What black player has excited the fans besides Hamilton, taibu?
Prosper, may so and busi are other recent players that fall into this category too.

Chatara? He hasn't sold me, just doesn't look skilful
Under a white admin by a black coach , the so much loathed Steve Mangongo. You just cant help being a racist can you? Lucky you went to Australia or else you would have been miserable in New Zealand.

No, zimdoggy, that the so called talented players were tutored under a white administration mean very little at all, it is merely incidental and with enough resources, which the whites had, a competent black administration can do the same thing. If this so called white admin had enough foresight, they would have tried spreading the game wider, would have promoted talented black batsmen instead of the token tearaway black bowler, and wouldn't have suppressed the likes of Trevor Madondo and other players to the point of near revolt.

Remember how Heath Streak tried to resist Tatenda Taibuu elevation to the national team in favour of Donald Campbell? That was just bad judgement and foresight pal, and it was actions like those that also led us to where we are right now. So guess what: bad admin. By a white admin.

Chatara hasn't sold you? Sure, he's injured now but if you still didn't rate him before injury... well your are entitled to your opinion. Which is always prejudiced of course.

Yes, currently we suck at admin and accountability, and true Bob drove us to the ground (which incidentally is the genesis of ALL our problems including cricket), but don't use it to justify your thinly disguised racism, bro. ;)
Any excuse to wear the black panther mask right?

You missed the point of what I was saying,

I love being racist but there was a reason why I wrote 'White' like this, because it wasnt actually 'white' its just referred to as such.

The point im trying to make that got lost onyou, was our best black players were brought up under the past functioning system.

The indigenisation push hasnt helped the youth at all. It hasnt created the tough mindsets needed. Its all been too easy.

The admin of the 90s DID try and push the game further and promote black talent.
Why on earth would they bother with Madondo and Nkala when they did?

The difference though was they werent compromising the talent standards in order to do so.
They were pushing the game further but the ones who were making it were not getting an easy ride to the top, no Prosper Utseya gravy train where he started as an opening batsman then became a spinner overnight and into the national team.

That said, why is it an absolute must to push the sport onto kids they werent interested?

as long as you dont close doors on black kids who want to play, there is nothing wrong with it being a sport thats enujoyed and played amongst a minority population.

Cricket in the USA for example is all curry.
If they were born and bred young athletes and not imported I.T workers playing socially, they would be a test team as well.
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