Future looks very bright!

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Sloan&eugene you of all people should have learnt by now that I do my checks before I say something, and 99%(due to human error) of the time it's accurate because there's no room to lie when it comes to figures.

The operative word is 'over' 3 seasons not in each of the 3 seasons aydee. It's pointless to even begin to argue because you know nobody else has opened half as much as Duffin. Vusi&Vermeulen maybe, but the rest, forget it! Ebrahim has been fluctuating between positions so you can't count him. Granted, Horton&Ballance have done better than him when they've opened in the franchise era, but that's irrelevant to this discussion because as foreigners or double-dealers, they don't count - you should be diligent enough to know that! Once again, of the current Zim batsmen in our Logan Cup, Duffin is overall the best and most accomplished opener. For a decade he's been doing nothing but opening and succeeding in comparison to the others who've opted to fluctuate between roles when it gets hot.

That point becomes even more pronounced when you take it to the international scope. Against Full Members, Duffin's average as an opener is only bettered by Hamilton. Because Hamilton's average is inflated by poor Kenya, it makes sense to exclude all the weaker teams, including Bangladesh(in case you attempt to hide behind that excuse again), leaving just the top 8, and Duffin's average leaps to a figure which dwarfs some of his compatriots immensely, further underlining my point! What I have done is focus on the man who faces the first ball, which is tougher, as opposed to one who cowers at the non-strikers end. The idea is to identify THE ULTIMATE OPENER. Interestingly, margin of the number innings between ducks the others have in comparison is huge, and I encourage you to relax my query to include the 1st&2nd wicket and you will notice just how wide that gap becomes! He's not too bad in other positions by the way, which means that his record could've been just as good or even better than the others if he moved to the middle order, further underlining how much better his stats are as an opener!

Anyway, in case I'm labelled with the fallacious statement that I ALWAYS make unsubstantiated claims, you're welcome to review old stats below, particularly the matches. While it's clear that many have had outstanding seasons and scores as openers like Mawoyo&Vermeulen, they've also had very low returns and resorted to hiding themselves in the soft middle order. Probably the reason why Zim has always suffered when it comes to quality openers. Unlike Duffin most simply don't cut it! On a serious note, it's quite disturbing that some of the senior or national players continue to expose young and up&coming players to the new ball, which harms their progress, while they resign to the safety of the later overs. Ewing on the other hand, has set a fine example in sending himself up the order when circumstances call for it and flourished inspite of that!

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2011/12, 2010/11, 2009/10, 2008, 2006/7, 2005/6(Postponed), 2004/5, 2003/4,2002/3, 2001/2, 2000/1, 1999/00, 1998/99

:) It's ok for a giggle, and you may wish it as hard as possible upon me, but no, definitely not my team. You're welcome to review all my Test XIs in the archives, and you'll find that they look nothing like YOUR ONE, but better than our currnet Test XI! ;)

I rest my case!
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hhm, I hope you liked that I managed to work a spinning allrounder, Alester Maregwede, and Mluleki Nkala all into the same lineup.
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7. Keith 'the spinning allrounder' Dabengwa
:lol: That one certainly stood out! You have a knack of doing that!

I like the fact that Alester's stuck around. We don't realise how much we need all our mature, experience players. They have a role to play either as coaches, selectors, match referees, commentators and administrators. Without such people, non-cricketing individuals(like most of those at the helm of ZC right now) will run the sport to the ground. Wish he'd hand the gloves to Mutumbami permanently though! :D
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Ewing a death bowler - nice one Eugene. :)

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hhm wrote: I struck a parallel between how our bowlers totally failed against a quality side in Pakistan and then seemingly 'excelled' against weaker batting orders, to how Bracewell did the same to poor us(fooling the inept and fledgling NZ selectors), and is now predictably struggling(not growing/improvng) against Aus.
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hhm wrote:I think I get where you're coming from. I'm well aware that Bracewell bowled to better batsmen in Ponting&Clarke, and very little if at all against Hughes&Warner etc. My point was I don't rate his fiver against a really poor Zim side by international standards, an inference to my fellow collegues in the forum that they also shouldn't be blinded by Vitori&Jarvis' fivers against relatively poor batting orders, under ripe conditions. I struck a parallel between how our bowlers totally failed against a quality side in Pakistan and then seemingly 'excelled' against weaker batting orders, to how Bracewell did the same to poor us(fooling the inept and fledgling NZ selectors), and is now predictably struggling(not growing/improvng) against Aus. The fact that he didn't get an opportunity to bowl against Hughes&Warner, doesn't necessarily mean he would succeed if he did and will most likely fail as did our boys. Khawaja didn't really do well against our young bowlers(well Chatara only), so that alters things as far as your view of him.
Does the latest 6 wicket haul, incliding Ponting, Clarke and Hussey change your view?....(surprise me!)

EDIT: Oops...I see I played my shot a tad too late!
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FlowerPower wrote:Does [...Bracewell's...] latest 6 wicket haul, incliding Ponting, Clarke and Hussey change your view?....(surprise me!)!
Well, although #I don't agree with hhm on everything, i agreed that the NZ side were greenhorn's and therefore thought, like hhm, that they would be properly punished in Aus (I did defend Bracewell a little in the last match as I believe he did get better as the match progressed) and I can say that the 6 wkt haul has given me renewed, strengthed hope ... on the other hand I wonder if the confidence he gains from that plus the fact that Hoult did well on debut too means we're headed to NZ to face an envigorated side. mmm

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Yeah Bracewell managed a big haul in the Aus A game as well.

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Right, so Bracewell got 6, including the big 3(Ponting, Hussey & Clarke)! Was I wrong? Yes! Am I impressed? Yes! Am I convinced? No! ;)

The Aus batting order was rubbish! Were it not for Warner, it could've been 47 all over again!
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So basically hhm when any player you do not rate does well it is because of ineptitude on the part of the other team?
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