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Oh boy its gettin fiesty in here now, lol.
India A.........??? A useless Stuart Binny appeared as monster for Bangladesh in that 2014 series, Even Karnataka Ranji Side beat Bangladesh A side packed with national experience. When it comes to India A, nearly 80% of players are there whose class matches with international arena, as a result, India sends their " A " team to tours like Zimbabwe which other team simply would'nt dear to do so, thats what talent is in the country.
Once again, if India's first XI needs 14 sessions to beat Bangladesh in a Test match, but India A can thrash BD in ODIs and 2-dayers...what does that tell you? That India A is a stronger than India's national team.

Now you're really gonna make me dig up tour match scorecards to embarass your serpentine self, aren't you? OK, you win...bait taken :D

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/m ... 77952.html

Windies 3rd string team smashing Pakistan in a tour match...and then what happened in the first Test:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies ... 77953.html

Pakistan wins by 7 wickets, surprise surprise.

There a host of other instances of such things.
When it comes to beating Kiwis in New Zealand. Don't create Joker of yourself. Bangladesh got beaten brutally in their recent tour to New Zealand
Perhaps, but we also had a first innings lead in the first Test and only lost because of an early delcaration. You risk losing when you go for the win.

The 2nd Test was reasonably close until the final 2 sessions.

The ODIs, we could actually were in a conceivable position to win the damn series if it weren't for two untimely collapses. Its expected given that we hadn't had an overseas tour in over 2 years! In fact, thats far better than what Pakistan or Sri Lanka manage and they tour overseas all the time.
Bangladesh got thrashed by Sri Lanka, New Zealand, they only had one win against Afghans and Scotland. England also beat both the team but Bangladesh got better of Aussies due to luck that effected England.
We got thrashed by SL, true. Same SL that lost to ZIM in a warmup, btw, just proving my point about warmups!

NZ only won by 3 wickets, and that too because of a review we didn't take with our stand in captain, Shakib. So I'm gonna put that down as a win, if you don't mind.

So a washout vs Australia effected England and thats why they lost? LOL. I've heard it all. You are about as smart as ZC's admins. SMH.

Let me spell it out for you, since cricket is not something that is part of your culture.

England beat Afghanistan and Scotland, so had 4 points.

Bangladesh beat Afghanistan, Scotland, and England, and had a washout vs Australia. 7 points. Even if we had lost to Australia, we would still have 6 points which is more than England's 4.

Now you want to know why Bangladesh lost every game they've lost? Its because of Zimbabwe not playing Test cricket from 2005-2011. That affected us, and if your moronic board hadn't chased all the white players away, Bangladesh would be the #1 ranked team in all 3 formats, and never lost a single game.
When it comes to decision, Chris Jordon was given run out by the third umpire in 50-50 situation in that league game clash against Bangladesh.
WRONG as a bitch and a half.

Jordan's bat was grounded, but then bounced up in the air when the bail was dislodged. According to the rules at the time - actually still the current rule till October - that is OUT. Lucky? Of course. But that is a 100-0 decision, not 50-50. Go back and take a stats class.

You know what was 50-50? That catch off Williams in the Ireland game. But you know why that one is OK? Because Williams got a free wicket off a set batsmen when he overstepped with a massive no ball. The two calls NEGATE completely and that is the very definition of 50-50. Same thing happened to Mahmudullah in the Quarterfinal against India...when he was caught on the boundary...50-50, except we didn't get any corrective calls like a no ball wicket.

Guptill's lbw was also OUT. You know why? Because there was no inside edge, the ball pitched in line, would have hit the stumps full on, and the bowler didn't overstep to negate the no ball. That is OUT.

You know what was NOT OUT? The Gayle lbw when he went on to smack a double ton. It was umpire's call, which exists because any instrument has some inherent uncertainty due to human and/or mechanical imprecision. Therefore, just grazing the stumps or just being on the line isn't CONCLUSIVE. Was ZIM unlucky that it wasn't given OUT? Perhaps, but then Gayle would have been unlucky, and the benefit of doubt always goes with the batsman.
Go and Check history of " Sabina Park " in Jamaica. Its one of the fastest pitch in the world provides lot of assistance to pacers, off late spinners are getting help., its never similar to asian condition.Situation of nurshing talent in West Indies and India are differant. Hetmyer is in 20 and has just started his domestic career. Board Politics is forcing their youths inexperienced players to play for national team, whereas A team players in India are far more experienced and the level of competition is too high as a result uncapped unknown players like Vijay Shankar, Shreyas Iyer smashing tons in A games against top opposition
Generally speaking, all of the Caribbean pitches have slowed down over the years. Shit, even the WACA isn't what it used to be. That being said, it doesn't matter. Remember the BD vs ZIM test in Dhaka in 2014? That pitch had pace, bounce, and turn. Its never behaved that way before or since. Pitches do have some variance in character. The Sabina wicket was nothing unplayable. It was not a greentop, nor was it lightning quick. I know because I watched parts of that match.

Hetmeyer was also 20 when he hit 97 vs Pakistan in the tour game, was he not? Was he more expereinced or older during that match, and magically less so a week later? Or is it possible Pakistan didn't play the tour game with 100% intensity?

I'm down to keep arguing with an idiot who has little knowledge of the game or sports in general. I am going to beat you into submission in one of two ways. By dropping facts so heavy even your iron clad ignorance will collapse due to the weight, or by simply eroding your patience, post by post. You might as well throw in the white towel now instead of attempting to occupy the crease for as long as you can.

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India A is definately stronger when the faces weak opponents like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and even competative against strong teams.

Before dragging and comparing Strong Teams like Pakistan, West Indies or Sri Lanka with Bangladesh, you biggest idiot should know their achievements first. Uncapped talents are nurtured in differant ways, strong teams create bench strength strong through their A teams playing against visiting team. Performers are kept on eye and are given more exposure and expetience through A matches before taking international arena.Lol, tour gane between West Indies Pres XI & Pakistan ended in a draw not a win, Series between Pakistan & West Indies is not over yet. The level of politics going on in WICB is forcing their inexperienced youths to take for the national team. Whereas, teams like Australia and India give much importance to their A squad as a result their A players could smash weak teams with an ease.

Bangladesh whenever toured India they brought internationally experienced players in squad, but due to strong competitive cricket in India, they got smashed even against Ranji sides.When it comes to Comparasion with Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe got test status in 1992, and within three years they had a win against Pakistan (1995), followed by a series win against same opposition in 1998 in their backyard, in those days Pakistan were the best Asian Side, Zimbabwe also managed to defeat India in test, followed by some emphatic odi wins against England, India, New Zealand whereas teams like Bangladesh takes more then 20 years to defeat teams like England, Sri Lanka and still to win tests against Aussies, India, Pakistan, New Zealand. Beating Windies were luck in 2009 as their whole group of players protested as a result club level players took field for WI. It was because of a weak Zimbabwe Side, Bangladesh managed to win 6 tests because of quota and skin colour politics.Zimbabwe had much bigger achievements in small time then Bangladesh

Cricket is not played with assumption and thoughts without doing anything in field, winning by uttering in mouth is very easy then doing it by fighting hard, in that 2015 World Cup Kiwis had strong lower order who could have chased the score set by Bangladesh. Bangladesh and England were in same position beating Scottish and Afghans, and due to point shared against Aussies, they came to third spot with some psycological advantage, and England felt the heat before that important clash against Bangladesh. Jordan 's run out was a brave decision by the third umpire, lot of talks happend as the fate of the game depended on that situation and Bangladeshi fans termed it as " Right " or " Umpire 's Mistake " but same happy Bangladeshis got fuming and went for revolt for that epic "no " ball incident in Quarter Final , and still they are trolled by Indians as " But But But that wasn't a no ball "
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And when that incident happened Indians were in strong position with still lower order to bat on, mahmudullah's boundary touch was seen with many angles by the umpires, but ultimate result came as " out ".



And You Rascal don't compare famous WACA, SABINA PARK with DHAKA. Only World 's biggest idiot could compare WACA, SABINA PARK with DHAKA Go and Check the history of these two grounds some fine piece of fast bowling records will come off. Being a fan of weak nation,with your big mouth don't try to claim yourself as a " World Beater ", as your shit records are still there to prove your original stand.

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Before dragging and comparing Strong Teams like Pakistan, West Indies or Sri Lanka with Bangladesh, you biggest idiot should know their achievements first. Uncapped talents are nurtured in differant ways, strong teams create bench strength strong through their A teams playing against visiting team. Performers are kept on eye and are given more exposure and expetience through A matches before taking international arena.Lol, tour gane between West Indies Pres XI & Pakistan ended in a draw not a win, Series between Pakistan & West Indies is not over yet. The level of politics going on in WICB is forcing their inexperienced youths to take for the national team. Whereas, teams like Australia and India give much importance to their A squad as a result their A players could smash weak teams with an ease.
1) Bangladesh is at the moment stronger than West Indies and Sri Lanka in either format. Pakistan too is not far ahead, and once Younis and Misbah retire by the end of the month, they will most likely be behind us as well. Check the ages of our players...oldest guys are 30 and average age is probably 25 or so...we will keep getting stronger for the next 4-5 years before regressing as our seniors retire.

2) Had trouble following the rest of this paragraph due to the horrible English. But the tour match between Bangladesh and India A also ended in a draw, not a win. So its just as valid as the WI vs PAK tour match. Nice try.
Cricket is not played with assumption and thoughts without doing anything in field, winning by uttering in mouth is very easy then doing it by fighting hard, in that 2015 World Cup Kiwis had strong lower order who could have chased the score set by Bangladesh. Bangladesh and England were in same position beating Scottish and Afghans, and due to point shared against Aussies, they came to third spot with some psycological advantage, and England felt the heat before that important clash against Bangladesh. Jordan 's run out was a brave decision by the third umpire, lot of talks happend as the fate of the game depended on that situation and Bangladeshi fans termed it as " Right " or " Umpire 's Mistake " but same happy Bangladeshis got fuming and went for revolt for that epic "no " ball incident in Quarter Final , and still they are trolled by Indians as " But But But that wasn't a no ball "
1) Yes, McCullum and Williamson and Guptill and Taylor all struggled to chase that score, but Kiwi lower order would have easily chased it. Maybe they would, but 95% chance is they wouldn't. Why don't you do the math and see how many times the last 5 wickets score what the first 5 got in ODIs and get back to me on that one?

2) There is NO psychological advantage. That was a must win match for BOTH Bangladesh and England. Bangladesh were also psychologically disadvantaged after having to face Zimbabwe as their only international series before the WC. We were also pyscholigically disadvantaged because Donald Trump won the Presidential election in the USA. And a meteor hit the earth 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs, and that really scared the shit out of Bangladesh right before that England match.

3) Jordan run out was the right decision, not a brave decision. Here's cricinfo's commentary since there probably isn't a youtube clip:
45.6 from Taskin Ahmed, Jordan gets into a mix-up as he works away this back of a length to the off side, going down the track in hopes of Woakes reciprocating, but when he sees him stay put, is forced to get back to his end, putting in a dive before the direct hit took shape. The umpire wants to be careful though as he looks at the replays, which show that the bat may have just turned on Jordan as he attempted to make his ground, with the angle suggesting he might not have had the relevant portion of the bat on the ground when the bails were disturbed. I wouldn't want to be a third umpire right now. Huge decision in the context of the game. The result has come in, and it is given out, which is greeted with a huge roar across the ground. Jordan can't believe it, but he has to go. 238/8

4) That no ball was 50-50, could have gone either way. And it would have been fair had we gotten a 50-50 in our favor in return like the Williams incidents in the ZIM vs IRE match. We never got it.
Zimbabwe had much bigger achievements in small time then Bangladesh
Which Zimbabwe?

I agree, the white Zimbabwe achieved quite a lot. They had world class players. And they competed in an era where there were a lot of world class players and world class teams.

Still white Zimbabwe could never lay a claim to being the 7th ranked ODI side, or the 5th ranked Test side (might as well be ambitious, lol).

On recent form (and projected over the next 10 years), Bangladesh is already a better Test side than West Indies, regardless of if Chris Gayle comes back or not. That makes us 8th. New Zealand are next, and while they'd beat us in NZ, we'd beat them equally in our den. Equal 7th. I'd put us ahead of Sri Lanka too, given that we just drew against them in their backyard and that too only because we didn't play up to your full potential in the first Test. Equal 6th. Then comes Pakistan. As soon and Misbah and Younis retire, we will be more or less equal to them (fuck it, we'd be better than them too). Equal 5th.

But, regretfully, we don't have the white Zimbabwe anymore.
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Whole World Knows Zimbabwe'Cricket Status has become equivalent to Associates not naturally but it has been " man made "

The Way Zimbabwe grew strong, players during 1999-2000 looked greatest of all, and if they continued, cricket map of Zimbabwe Would Have looked differant as their success was much faster then teams like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh when they get status, but it seems now Afghans will cross Zimbabwe in getting success fast.

Skin Colour Politics, Racism, Money Laundering in ZC were the prime issues for Zimbabwe 's decline.

Only Few mens are there who have managed to keep the game alive otherwise 60% is finished.

Board has now gone best of Zimbabwe back to Streak & Taibu to put some life back to Zim Cricket.

Zimbabwe are still producing great talents but sadly they have opted for other nations due to worn out infrastructure. Hope it will take some time, till flowers bloosom again.

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
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Before dragging and comparing Strong Teams like Pakistan, West Indies or Sri Lanka with Bangladesh, you biggest idiot should know their achievements first. Uncapped talents are nurtured in differant ways, strong teams create bench strength strong through their A teams playing against visiting team. Performers are kept on eye and are given more exposure and expetience through A matches before taking international arena.Lol, tour gane between West Indies Pres XI & Pakistan ended in a draw not a win, Series between Pakistan & West Indies is not over yet. The level of politics going on in WICB is forcing their inexperienced youths to take for the national team. Whereas, teams like Australia and India give much importance to their A squad as a result their A players could smash weak teams with an ease.
1) Bangladesh is at the moment stronger than West Indies and Sri Lanka in either format. Pakistan too is not far ahead, and once Younis and Misbah retire by the end of the month, they will most likely be behind us as well. Check the ages of our players...oldest guys are 30 and average age is probably 25 or so...we will keep getting stronger for the next 4-5 years before regressing as our seniors retire.

2) Had trouble following the rest of this paragraph due to the horrible English. But the tour match between Bangladesh and India A also ended in a draw, not a win. So its just as valid as the WI vs PAK tour match. Nice try.
Cricket is not played with assumption and thoughts without doing anything in field, winning by uttering in mouth is very easy then doing it by fighting hard, in that 2015 World Cup Kiwis had strong lower order who could have chased the score set by Bangladesh. Bangladesh and England were in same position beating Scottish and Afghans, and due to point shared against Aussies, they came to third spot with some psycological advantage, and England felt the heat before that important clash against Bangladesh. Jordan 's run out was a brave decision by the third umpire, lot of talks happend as the fate of the game depended on that situation and Bangladeshi fans termed it as " Right " or " Umpire 's Mistake " but same happy Bangladeshis got fuming and went for revolt for that epic "no " ball incident in Quarter Final , and still they are trolled by Indians as " But But But that wasn't a no ball "
1) Yes, McCullum and Williamson and Guptill and Taylor all struggled to chase that score, but Kiwi lower order would have easily chased it. Maybe they would, but 95% chance is they wouldn't. Why don't you do the math and see how many times the last 5 wickets score what the first 5 got in ODIs and get back to me on that one?

2) There is NO psychological advantage. That was a must win match for BOTH Bangladesh and England. Bangladesh were also psychologically disadvantaged after having to face Zimbabwe as their only international series before the WC. We were also pyscholigically disadvantaged because Donald Trump won the Presidential election in the USA. And a meteor hit the earth 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs, and that really scared the shit out of Bangladesh right before that England match.

3) Jordan run out was the right decision, not a brave decision. Here's cricinfo's commentary since there probably isn't a youtube clip:
45.6 from Taskin Ahmed, Jordan gets into a mix-up as he works away this back of a length to the off side, going down the track in hopes of Woakes reciprocating, but when he sees him stay put, is forced to get back to his end, putting in a dive before the direct hit took shape. The umpire wants to be careful though as he looks at the replays, which show that the bat may have just turned on Jordan as he attempted to make his ground, with the angle suggesting he might not have had the relevant portion of the bat on the ground when the bails were disturbed. I wouldn't want to be a third umpire right now. Huge decision in the context of the game. The result has come in, and it is given out, which is greeted with a huge roar across the ground. Jordan can't believe it, but he has to go. 238/8

4) That no ball was 50-50, could have gone either way. And it would have been fair had we gotten a 50-50 in our favor in return like the Williams incidents in the ZIM vs IRE match. We never got it.
Zimbabwe had much bigger achievements in small time then Bangladesh
Which Zimbabwe?

I agree, the white Zimbabwe achieved quite a lot. They had world class players. And they competed in an era where there were a lot of world class players and world class teams.

Still white Zimbabwe could never lay a claim to being the 7th ranked ODI side, or the 5th ranked Test side (might as well be ambitious, lol).

On recent form (and projected over the next 10 years), Bangladesh is already a better Test side than West Indies, regardless of if Chris Gayle comes back or not. That makes us 8th. New Zealand are next, and while they'd beat us in NZ, we'd beat them equally in our den. Equal 7th. I'd put us ahead of Sri Lanka too, given that we just drew against them in their backyard and that too only because we didn't play up to your full potential in the first Test. Equal 6th. Then comes Pakistan. As soon and Misbah and Younis retire, we will be more or less equal to them (fuck it, we'd be better than them too). Equal 5th.

But, regretfully, we don't have the white Zimbabwe anymore.
West Indies A better to call them as " Under 19s" beat smashed Pakistan. Sometimes, its better to take "youths" seriously otherwise they would take better of you. Warm Up Game, probably gave West Indies Future Stars

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This Windies side plays with passion and heart. The results are there to be seen...the have won 3 Tests since 2015 which is as good a result they have had for almost 2 deacades. Gone are guy like Gayle, Pollard, Narine, and Sammy who care more about their IPL. Chase, Hope, Gabriel, and Joseph have for the flag. They are all young as well.

Thats the kind of passion you dont see with ZIM.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 6:53 am
This Windies side plays with passion and heart. The results are there to be seen...the have won 3 Tests since 2015 which is as good a result they have had for almost 2 deacades. Gone are guy like Gayle, Pollard, Narine, and Sammy who care more about their IPL. Chase, Hope, Gabriel, and Joseph have for the flag. They are all young as well.

Thats the kind of passion you dont see with ZIM.


IPL is not the reason for non selection of Gayle, Pollard, Narine, Sammy. WICB made it mandatory, only those players will be eligible for selection in Test & Odis, who represent domestic cricket. Senior players plays not only IPL, they play various T20 leagues around the World without taking part in domestic cricket, hence they are not picked.

Sometimes, its better to appreciate "A" team skills, now Pakistan are clearly feeling the heat of performing Under 19 youths of WI.

These Under 19 Chaps have got lot of skills, might bring back good days for West Indies.

Just Thing if these youths are patch up with seniors Windies will just rock again.

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IPL is not the reason for non selection of Gayle, Pollard, Narine, Sammy. WICB made it mandatory, only those players will be eligible for selection in Test & Odis, who represent domestic cricket. Senior players plays not only IPL, they play various T20 leagues around the World without taking part in domestic cricket, hence they are not picked.

Sometimes, its better to appreciate "A" team skills, now Pakistan are clearly feeling the heat of performing Under 19 youths of WI.

These Under 19 Chaps have got lot of skills, might bring back good days for West Indies.

Just Thing if these youths are patch up with seniors Windies will just rock again.
IPL is a byword for any T20 league no matter where it might actually be.

The guys like Gayle and Pollard don't play for the love of the game, they are 100% obsessed by the dollar. Most other international players play for the love of the game at least in part. Yes, as professionals they will always go where the money goes, but most still have some semblence of patriotism and love for the game.

You can tell the current WI players have that, in addition to a fair bit of talent. Which is why the WI will always manage to win a few Test matches at home at least.

But apart from India, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, and England...no other country has a population/passion/resources big enough to compete with Bangladesh in terms of talent production.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 9:21 pm
Black Mamba wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 8:25 am


IPL is not the reason for non selection of Gayle, Pollard, Narine, Sammy. WICB made it mandatory, only those players will be eligible for selection in Test & Odis, who represent domestic cricket. Senior players plays not only IPL, they play various T20 leagues around the World without taking part in domestic cricket, hence they are not picked.

Sometimes, its better to appreciate "A" team skills, now Pakistan are clearly feeling the heat of performing Under 19 youths of WI.

These Under 19 Chaps have got lot of skills, might bring back good days for West Indies.

Just Thing if these youths are patch up with seniors Windies will just rock again.
IPL is a byword for any T20 league no matter where it might actually be.

The guys like Gayle and Pollard don't play for the love of the game, they are 100% obsessed by the dollar. Most other international players play for the love of the game at least in part. Yes, as professionals they will always go where the money goes, but most still have some semblence of patriotism and love for the game.

You can tell the current WI players have that, in addition to a fair bit of talent. Which is why the WI will always manage to win a few Test matches at home at least.

But apart from India, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, and England...no other country has a population/passion/resources big enough to compete with Bangladesh in terms of talent production.


Thats not the correct reason, Look at Carlos Braithwaite & Rovman Powell, they were picked in Pakistan Series odis & T20s, they are also part of IPL franchises, but they were selected for West Indies, because they took part in " Regional One Day Tournament " domestic cricket in WI.

Other Players like Gayle, Pollard avoid playing domestic cricket. They play all around the world, April - May - IPL, June - July - CPL, July - August - Natwest T20 Blast, October - November - CSA T20, December - January - Big Bash Leage, January - February - BPL, February - March - PSL



Except IPL, intefnational stars of other countries doesn't play much in all these leagues, as their international comittment comes first.

Therefore, they are not considered for international committments in odis & tests. Pollard & Narine were part of domestic cricket in 2016, and were considered for odi & t20 selection.Fault lies on board as they failed to create an understanding in these players.

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