Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Participate in discussion with your fellow Zimbabwe cricket fans!
Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7035
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Kriterion_BD »

jaybro wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:55 pm
Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:47 pm
The Irish seem to be on board with the 4-day concept.

I think ZIM can definitely get 5-day Tests with the Afghans and BD, and probably from the WI, SL, PAK because a draw in 4 days would not be a good result from their perspective.

Tests should always be 5 days. What this means is that 4-day matches are basically just first-class now.
Will Zimbabwe get to play the top 9 in Tests ??
I hope so. Taylor and Jarvis (as well as Ervine and Cremer) deserve to play vs the top 9 and it would be an injustice.

Thats the biggest flaw of the 9-3 league. If each of the 9 plays just 1 series in a cycle vs the 3...thats 3 series each for the developing sides. The Big 3 would probably only play a single Test but the other 4 could easily play 2. And it should be that the points count so that Australia wont just send their A team to play Ireland.

But I guess the ICC has had other ideas all along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

User avatar
Black Mamba
Posts: 996
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 am
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Black Mamba »

Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:11 am
jaybro wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:55 pm
Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:47 pm
The Irish seem to be on board with the 4-day concept.

I think ZIM can definitely get 5-day Tests with the Afghans and BD, and probably from the WI, SL, PAK because a draw in 4 days would not be a good result from their perspective.

Tests should always be 5 days. What this means is that 4-day matches are basically just first-class now.
Will Zimbabwe get to play the top 9 in Tests ??
I hope so. Taylor and Jarvis (as well as Ervine and Cremer) deserve to play vs the top 9 and it would be an injustice.

Thats the biggest flaw of the 9-3 league. If each of the 9 plays just 1 series in a cycle vs the 3...thats 3 series each for the developing sides. The Big 3 would probably only play a single Test but the other 4 could easily play 2. And it should be that the points count so that Australia wont just send their A team to play Ireland.

But I guess the ICC has had other ideas all along.


ICC is correct, one or two test wins should'nt make the weak teams to play against stronger nations.Weaker nations should try to be relentless first, facing the opposition of their merit, then they should be promoted to face the strong teams.
Zimbabwe, Afghans & Irish playing full series with 3 four day tests, odis, t20s doesn't look bad till Test Championship gets over.

ICC has done great thing marginalizing test format into Tier 1 for stronger nations and Tier 2 for the weak nations. Bangladesh with one - two test wins is lucky to be in Tier 1. Questions bound to arise if they did'nt perform.

Finally, great to ICC globalizing the shorter format cricket, with 13 teams odi league, weak nations will have the chance to face stronger nations in home away basis. Hope, we get 20 T20 Teams in World T20 Event as ICC is targetting T20 as the tool of globalizing cricket, scraping Champions Trophy, thus giving busy schedules for all cricket playing nations including the associates.

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7035
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Kriterion_BD »

Black Mamba wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:19 am




ICC is correct, one or two test wins should'nt make the weak teams to play against stronger nations.Weaker nations should try to be relentless first, facing the opposition of their merit, then they should be promoted to face the strong teams.
Zimbabwe, Afghans & Irish playing full series with 3 four day tests, odis, t20s doesn't look bad till Test Championship gets over.

ICC has done great thing marginalizing test format into Tier 1 for stronger nations and Tier 2 for the weak nations. Bangladesh with one - two test wins is lucky to be in Tier 1. Questions bound to arise if they did'nt perform.

Finally, great to ICC globalizing the shorter format cricket, with 13 teams odi league, weak nations will have the chance to face stronger nations in home away basis. Hope, we get 20 T20 Teams in World T20 Event as ICC is targetting T20 as the tool of globalizing cricket, scraping Champions Trophy, thus giving busy schedules for all cricket playing nations including the associates.
If you consider context and trend analyses, Bangladesh looks less lucky. For example, Bangladesh hasn't lost a series at home in 2 and half years. Major sides like England and Australia have been unable to come away with series wins in BD. I'd say the Windies are far luckier given they have won maybe a dozen Tests in the last 10 years...Bangladesh have won 3 in the last 10 months. But even the Windies deserve their shot having recently won in the UAE and England of all places. Its all about RECENT trends, and to be frank there isn't much of a gap between #5 and #9. Even the ICC rankings will attest to that.

A month ago I wouldn't have complained about the bottom 3 being left out of the League...even now its not so much the 9-3 split that is problematic, but rather how that split works. But now that Jarvis and Taylor are back, ZIM deserve opportunities because they are demonstrating they take this game seriously enough to invest in their best players.

The problem with this league is, The bottom 3 have little to no guarantees of fixtures vs the top 9. They need to be part of the FTP and they need to have a clear idea of which big teams they will play when so that they can plan accordingly. England will play 30 games in the 2 year cycles, maybe more. Bangladesh will play 12-15. They should both be able to fit in 1-2 Tests vs the little 3. How are ZIM, IRE, AFG supposed to develop and one day join the League if they dont get a fair number of opportunities?

The ICC should look to grow the game and strengthen it in the 12 countries in which it has some roots. Not just focus on an elite 9 within that already small dozen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

Jemisi
Posts: 8978
Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:04 am
Supports: Southern Rocks

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Jemisi »

The bottom 3 have to play each other, BD will also give them games. Ireland will get early summer games ahead of England tours. We will scratch occassional ones too from the top teams. I don't think we will play less tests in the next 5 years than we have in the last 5.

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7035
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Kriterion_BD »

Jemisi wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:53 am
The bottom 3 have to play each other, BD will also give them games. Ireland will get early summer games ahead of England tours. We will scratch occassional ones too from the top teams. I don't think we will play less tests in the next 5 years than we have in the last 5.
Well I am not a fan of these 4 day Tests. The ICC has effectively demoted ZIM to the intercontinental cup and there is no promotioj for Ireland or Afghanistan if all they get to play are stupid 4 dayers. Tests should be 5 days.

Now Ireland is hosting Pak for a 5 day Test for their inaugural match. That is good. Any word on the ZIM-Afg Test in December???

I hope BD arranges a full tour of ZIM soon. 3 Tests, 5 ODIs before the league kicks in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

User avatar
Black Mamba
Posts: 996
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 am
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Black Mamba »

Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:30 pm
Black Mamba wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:19 am




ICC is correct, one or two test wins should'nt make the weak teams to play against stronger nations.Weaker nations should try to be relentless first, facing the opposition of their merit, then they should be promoted to face the strong teams.
Zimbabwe, Afghans & Irish playing full series with 3 four day tests, odis, t20s doesn't look bad till Test Championship gets over.

ICC has done great thing marginalizing test format into Tier 1 for stronger nations and Tier 2 for the weak nations. Bangladesh with one - two test wins is lucky to be in Tier 1. Questions bound to arise if they did'nt perform.

Finally, great to ICC globalizing the shorter format cricket, with 13 teams odi league, weak nations will have the chance to face stronger nations in home away basis. Hope, we get 20 T20 Teams in World T20 Event as ICC is targetting T20 as the tool of globalizing cricket, scraping Champions Trophy, thus giving busy schedules for all cricket playing nations including the associates.
If you consider context and trend analyses, Bangladesh looks less lucky. For example, Bangladesh hasn't lost a series at home in 2 and half years. Major sides like England and Australia have been unable to come away with series wins in BD. I'd say the Windies are far luckier given they have won maybe a dozen Tests in the last 10 years...Bangladesh have won 3 in the last 10 months. But even the Windies deserve their shot having recently won in the UAE and England of all places. Its all about RECENT trends, and to be frank there isn't much of a gap between #5 and #9. Even the ICC rankings will attest to that.

A month ago I wouldn't have complained about the bottom 3 being left out of the League...even now its not so much the 9-3 split that is problematic, but rather how that split works. But now that Jarvis and Taylor are back, ZIM deserve opportunities because they are demonstrating they take this game seriously enough to invest in their best players.

The problem with this league is, The bottom 3 have little to no guarantees of fixtures vs the top 9. They need to be part of the FTP and they need to have a clear idea of which big teams they will play when so that they can plan accordingly. England will play 30 games in the 2 year cycles, maybe more. Bangladesh will play 12-15. They should both be able to fit in 1-2 Tests vs the little 3. How are ZIM, IRE, AFG supposed to develop and one day join the League if they dont get a fair number of opportunities?

The ICC should look to grow the game and strengthen it in the 12 countries in which it has some roots. Not just focus on an elite 9 within that already small dozen.

User avatar
Andybligzz
Posts: 769
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:07 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by Andybligzz »

I'm just happy we are going to be playing cricket . People calling for us to be able to play more games against the big boys is a big call currently. Until we start beating teams like bgdesh, Ireland , afg , windies and Pakistan I don't think we should be shouting out to play the top teams. I only say this as we still don't know where we fully stand in terms of player depths and roles , if we continue this growth in player depth and the financial situation increases and the youth coming through is improving then that's all good but what happens if Jarvis , Taylor , ervine all are injured and we have a tour of india coming up ? Do we have anyone capable of coming in and filling there boots at the moment ? No , and if the match happened or series we would be humiliated and people all round the world will be saying how bad we are and we don't deserve test status ect. We are just scraping on to test cricket now as it is and this move by the icc is the best thing to happen in 20 years . Afg ane Ireland will be a great test and should make for some great cricket . Patience
The Zimbabwe Cricket team have found Ebola in one of their members, but they're not concerned because they have also found Ebatsmen and Efielda!

pariah
Posts: 1490
Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:27 pm
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by pariah »

Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:11 am
Taylor and Jarvis (as well as Ervine and Cremer) deserve to play vs the top 9 and it would be an injustice.
I take it Taylor deserves Notts 1st team not County 2nd XI, while Cremer deserves deserves an average of 25?

TapsC
Posts: 2349
Joined: Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:54 am

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by TapsC »

how many tests have we even played since 2011 when we came back? we might honestly be complaining about nothing..its not a relegation if you were never playing anyway..now we are going to get more games even if they are 400 overs instead of 450. lets earn our spot instead of complaining about something we never did in the first place..we still have a long way to go to get competitive.

pariah
Posts: 1490
Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:27 pm
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Zimbabwe will play four day test cricket along with Afghans & Irish from 2020 in Tier 2 System

Post by pariah »

How Zimbabwe lost "Test status"

HOME RECORD
2013SEP03: PAK 249 & 419/9d. Lost by 221 runs (Panyangara, Chatara, Shingi, Utseya)
2013SEP10: PAK 230 & 239. Win by 24 runs (Panyangara, Chatara, Vitori, Utseya)
2014AUG09: SA 397 & 44/1. Lose by 9 wickets (Panyangara, Chatara, Tiripano, Nyumbu, Williams)

2016JUN01: Taibu appointed Convenor

2016JUL28: NZ 576/6d. Lost by an innings and 117 runs (Chinouya, Tiripano, Cremer, Raza, Masvaure)
2016AUG06: NZ 582/4d & 166/2d. Lost by 254 runs (Chinouya, Tiripano, Cremer, Nyumbu, Williams Chibhabha)

2016OCT11: Streak appointed Head Coach and Selector

2016OCT29: 537 & 247/6d. Lost by 225 runs (Mpofu, Mumba, Tiripano, Cremer, Williams)
2016NOV06: SL 504 & 258/9d. Lost by 257 runs (Mpofu, Mumba, Tiripano, Cremer, Williams)

ICC: "If teams visit you and score 500+ runs in consecutive 1st innings scores, at both your international grounds, you're hopeless and don't deserve to be playing Tests!"
ZC: "We've brought back Jarvis to help nip those 3-4 wickets our attack failed to get, and Taylor to help bridge the hopefully now reduced 150 run deficit"
ICC: "Go and nip those wickets and bridge that run gap with Ireland and Afghanistan. At least they can beat Netherlands and Scotland."

Post Reply