Zimbabwe rising stars

[pariah]

Really excited about Mashinge looks like a good bat & ball, I can't remember how quick he was bowling at the WC ?

In recent times, William Mashinge has certainly been ahead in terms of batting among the younger lot, with Jeremy Ives close behind.

Zimbabwe u19 Batting - 2015/16 and 2016/17
https://www.crichq.com/teams/91145/leaderboards/batting

Mashinge is an allrounder though, one of genuine quality, which makes him very valuable. But if one considers the heart-breaking management and treatment of Luke Jongwe (2013/14 stats there), one fears the same might happen to Mashinge.

Mashinge is good and probably the best u19 in the last 3 years, but it can also be argued that Luke Jongwe is twice as good as Mashinge. I think it's a case of cricket u19s generally getting weaker as opposed to Zimbabwe improving.

The same is happening to SA rugby u19s with them slightly regressing here. But the last cricket lot (Rabada, Phehlukwayo, de Kock, Theunis de Bruyn with Markram and Jason Smith to join them) has been top drawer here.

Anyone have info on Sydney Murombo, and what’s happening with him? http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 89797.html

[jaybro]

Old Sydney I had forgot about him Great name ......

[jimbo]

Mashinge more of a bowler who can bat a bit

Jongwe role pretty much undefined in the Zimbabwe squad. Got one five fer and then a whole lot of ordinary with either bat or ball.
Mashinge mavuta and ngarava and blessing muzarabani as well as Ryan Murray next stars of the crop bubbling under methinks

[pariah]

Mashinge more of a bowler who can bat a bit

Jongwe role pretty much undefined in the Zimbabwe squad. Got one five fer and then a whole lot of ordinary with either bat or ball.
Mashinge mavuta and ngarava and blessing muzarabani as well as Ryan Murray next stars of the crop bubbling under methinks

Look at this scorecard in order to get the sense of Jongwe's role:

Zimbabwe Developmnet XI vs Sri Lanka Emerging

I think he's more of a batting allrounder, but a better bowler than Mire is. Either way, Mire bats higher in the ODI setup so Jongwe can easily be a number 7.

In T20s Jongwe can again get into the XI at number 7 as the allrounder, considering Mire and Elton who are definite picks in that format will be in as specialist batsmen only (with Hami, Moor-wk and Waller).

But those youngsters have definitely put their hands up. Ryan Murray will leave though. I can't see him staying considering Chakabva and Moor are in the mix, plus the likes of Gumbie and Mutumbami a good domestic season away from being in the mix again. Forster Mutizwa hasn't exactly retired either and he's good enough to get a decent score when picked to ensure he's part of many Series before he's dropped and the odd one to avoid being dropped (e.g. Moor). Look at the Proteas and the number of players who waited for Boucher with AB messing around the gloves to block them - van Wyk, Tsolekile, Jacobs, Kuhn, Smit, Vilas etc. QdK virtually blocked Rudi Second, and now he's overtaken by Klaasen who can't get a game. Will be hard to get in as a specialist batsman too as the seniors are still there, plus the likes of Chari, Kunje, Musakanda, Innocent Kaia and Burl also a factor. And you can;t blame him. But the guy who left when it didn't make sense because he woul dhave played for Zim by now, was Malcolm Lake. Very foolish boy!

[eugene]

Ryan Murray will get his shot if he performs well in domestic and development cricket. Mutizwa is finished I think. Malcolm Lake, Eddie Byrom, Nick Welch would probably all be on the fringes of the national team at least had they stayed.

[Jemisi]

I just hope this Murray bloke can really keep

[The Robot]

Ryan Murray will get his shot if he performs well in domestic and development cricket. Mutizwa is finished I think. Malcolm Lake, Eddie Byrom, Nick Welch would probably all be on the fringes of the national team at least had they stayed.

Not only Mutizwa. Board should ask non performing aged players like Chigumbura, Sibanda, Nymbhu, Mawayo, Panyangara to retire from the game.


Under Streak's national team, Taibu's Rising Academy and , Mangongo's Under 19 team. Youths are showing that they have the ability to perform in the bigger stage.

Unperforming aged seniors are blocking the place of these talented youths who needs chance to express themselves in domestic cricket

[Flakeman]

Really excited about Mashinge looks like a good bat & ball, I can't remember how quick he was bowling at the WC ?

In recent times, William Mashinge has certainly been ahead in terms of batting among the younger lot, with Jeremy Ives close behind.

Zimbabwe u19 Batting - 2015/16 and 2016/17
https://www.crichq.com/teams/91145/leaderboards/batting

Mashinge is an allrounder though, one of genuine quality, which makes him very valuable. But if one considers the heart-breaking management and treatment of Luke Jongwe (2013/14 stats there), one fears the same might happen to Mashinge.

Mashinge is good and probably the best u19 in the last 3 years, but it can also be argued that Luke Jongwe is twice as good as Mashinge. I think it's a case of cricket u19s generally getting weaker as opposed to Zimbabwe improving.

The same is happening to SA rugby u19s with them slightly regressing here. But the last cricket lot (Rabada, Phehlukwayo, de Kock, Theunis de Bruyn with Markram and Jason Smith to join them) has been top drawer here.

Anyone have info on Sydney Murombo, and what’s happening with him? http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 89797.html

Haha you call Phelukwayo quality? He hardly ever got a game for the u19s under Jennings, what does that say about quotas getting a free ride? Markram, Bosch, Van Der Merwe were far better u19s than him. But away they went because they live in a racist system. Andile isn't international standard, anyone who has a brain can see that watching him play.
He has a call up to the Test squad with absolute shocker record at first class. If they wanna argue for Age then why not put the even younger Wiaan Mulder who has twice the first class stats of Andile. He isn't even in the A team. Don't get me started about Dwaine Pretorius either. His stats are sublime.

Complete racism, it sickens me

[watermelon]

Welcome to the new Africa. We spilled our blood in the revolution and now young guys come along and expect to be given the world in exchange for bending over for a few important people.

-watermelon.

[pariah]

Haha you call Phelukwayo quality? He hardly ever got a game for the u19s under Jennings, what does that say about quotas getting a free ride? Markram, Bosch, Van Der Merwe were far better u19s than him. But away they went because they live in a racist system. Andile isn't international standard, anyone who has a brain can see that watching him play.
He has a call up to the Test squad with absolute shocker record at first class. If they wanna argue for Age then why not put the even younger Wiaan Mulder who has twice the first class stats of Andile. He isn't even in the A team. Don't get me started about Dwaine Pretorius either. His stats are sublime.

Complete racism, it sickens me

You're extremely confused. Which is sad and tragic. Are you not satisfied with what Phehlukwayo came and did to Zimbabwe?

You should try and find out why guys like Wiese and Pretorius have good stats, as well as why they seem to flop in internationals.

Guys like Kuhn, van Wyk and Vilas flopped against ZImbabwe itself - the A/XI side. Not so with Ramela and Phehlukwayo.

There is a reason why guys like Bavuma, Phehlukwayo, Rabada, Reeza Hendricks etc excel for the national team regardless of their FC stats, while guys like Ingram, Hardus Viljoen, Jon Jon Smuts, Stiaan van Zyl etc flop.

Makhaya Ntini's 16 year old son is already streets ahead of any of the ZIM/WI/SA 19 year old on display during WI's recent tour to Southern Africa.

If you must know - which you do, SA's cricket system has got two divisions which are classified as FC. However, most of the excellent young African players go straight form High school to franchise cricket. Only the average ones play in the 2nd division, which is where guys like Wiese and Pretorius plunder 3rd rate players to amass lovely-looking stats. When Vilas failed to dislodge Tsolekile from the Lions on merit, he went to that league and bolstered his stats then eventually moved to another franchise. That got him into the Proteas.

But what is Vilas' record - http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica ... 62456.html. Selected at 31 years old, on the back of 10 years of FC cricket, but could on manage an average of 10 after 6 Tests!

NEVER look at a South African cricket and focus on their FC stats. Focus on their FRANCHISE STATS. That's what CSA has been doing and it's been forced to admit that they've been duped for many years. Never mind Rabada, it's common knowledge that Duanne Olivier and Viljoen have nothing on Ngidi, yet have a 9 year "experience advantage".

Fact remains almost all so-called "quota" picks for the Proteas end up number 1, or at worst top 5 in one format or another. That's unbelievable if you think about it. Even Bavuma got an ODI 100 on debut - OPENING! Plus Man of the match.

A youngster picked straight into Franchise cricket will have poor stats compared to a player picked and plays 5 seasons bossing a virtual club league.

Roelof van der Merwe? Not good enough, but I'd pick him for his attitude - fearless and aggressive in his play. Same with Robbie Frylinck. FYI, Aiden Markram was picked to play Franchise cricket, but flopped badly and was dropped. Call Titans and Northens and ask them. He did well last season only. But so did Haseeb Hameed when he was picked for England. I like Mulder. He was thrown to the deepend first up. That's why he has "quota" looking stats. But Mulder is well below Andile's talent, an dmore like an Ayabulela Gqamane-lite.

Forget South Africa. Stick to ZImbabwe and focus on Innocent Kaia, Luke Jongwe and Wellington Masakadza. I'm successfully doing my bit here. Do your bit there, instead of ignoring class and talent that wastes away.