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Zimbabwe Bowling Talent Stocks

Post by pariah » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:59 pm

ONE DAY INTERNATIONALS (30 years of age and under)

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PLAYER				AGE	MAT	WKTS	AVE	ECON	SR	4W	5W
Richard Ngarava			20	6	8	34.25	5.95	34.5	0	0*
Carl Mumba			22	2	0	0	6.48	0	0	0*
Luke Jongwe			23	22	25	30.36	5.27	34.5	0	1
Wellington Masakadza		24	10	15	25.06	4.26	35.2	1	0
Neville Madziva			26	12	20	25.95	5.98	26.0	1	0
Tendai Chatara			27	41	55	33.18	5.19	38.3	0	0
Tendai Chisoro			29	12	13	26.38	4.03	39.2	0	0
Donald Tiripano			30	15	14	31.92	5.59	34.2	0	0*

TWENTY20 INTERNATIONALS (30 years of age and under)

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PLAYER				AGE	MAT	WKTS	AVE	ECON	SR	4W	5W
Luke Jongwe			23	8	7	30.36	9.89	18.2	0	0
Wellington Masakadza		24	7	8	24.62	7.88	18.7	1	0
Neville Madziva			26	9	8	34.87	8.95	23.3	1	0
Tendai Chatara			27	11	11	28.0	7.7	21.8	0	0
Tendai Chisoro			29	7	10	17.30	6.17	16.8	0	0
Donald Tiripano			30	8	10	21.8	7.6	17.2	0	0*

TESTS (any age)

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PLAYER				AGE	MAT	WKTS	AVE	ECON	SR	4W	5W
Carl Mumba			22	2	8	37.25	3.82	58.3	1	0*
Tendai Chatara			27	7	20	29.25	2.42	72.3	0	1
Donald Tiripano			30	6	10	51.0	2.96	103.2	0	0*
Shingi Masakadza		31	16	25	32.18	2.92	66.0	2	0
Graeme Cremer			31	16	46	47.80	3.82	74.9	4	1*
Tinashe Panyangara		32	9	31	26.22	2.58	60.9	0	1
Chris Mpofu			32	12	25	48.84	3.49	83.8	2	0*

MR KYLE “I need an elite salary on a long-term contract” JARVIS*

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FORMAT				AGE	MAT	WKTS	AVE	ECON	SR	4W	5W
ODI				29	24	27	45.22	6.01	45.0	0	0
T20I				29	9	10	27	8.39	19.3	0	0
TESTS				29	8	30	31.73	3.64	52.3	2	2

*Denotes the players preferred, trusted and courted by Heath Streak and Tatenda Taibu :D


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CHATARA http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 25639.html
SHINGI http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 43529.html
CREMER http://www.espncricinfo.com/tri-nation- ... 55346.html
PANYANGARA http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 55705.html
JONGWE http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 41224.html
WELLINGTON http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 71703.html
MADZIVA http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 53289.html
CHISORO http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 35519.html
JARVIS http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cham ... 32996.html
NGARAVA http://www.espncricinfo.com/netherlands ... 06241.html
MUMBA http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 72775.html
TIRIPANO http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 92945.html
MPOFU http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 55633.html
Last edited by maehara on Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Mbhalati http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica ... 46526.html
Fojela http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 45206.html
Sadly, neither got a chance to put on a Proteas jersey but some will moan when green Andile&Ngidi do:cry:

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Re: ZIMBABWE BOWLING TALENT STOCKS

Post by eugene » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:30 pm

Jarvis is clearly one of our best T20 and Test bowlers, we should do whatever is needed to bring him back.
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Re: ZIMBABWE BOWLING TALENT STOCKS

Post by brmtaylor.com admin » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:45 pm

I didn't realise how well Jarvis stacked up internationally until I saw those stats. Very good numbers.

And it also shows just by how far Cremer is our best bowler, and how important it is that we have a fit and firing Chatara in the team.

How good would it be to have:

8. Cremer
9. Panyangara
10. Jarvis
11. Chatara

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Re: ZIMBABWE BOWLING TALENT STOCKS

Post by pariah » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:04 pm

I put Jarvis in there for the fun of it, and separately, even though he's actually not part of Zimbabwe's bowling stocks, and may never play for Zimbabwe again (just like Sean Ervine...until now at least). :D

Again, pointless to discuss Cremer too since he's captain, and won't drop himself whatever the case might be, but all comments welcome either way.

What I was really looking for was reactions around the Mumba, Ngarava, Mpofu, Tiripano etc.

My take is suppose we give Heath Streak the benefit of the doubt. Even in soccer/football, few managers want to claim success on the back of players who arguably aren’t yours, so it’s understandable that Streak has kicked out a few (particularly batsmen), and also done the same to bowlers. It also explains why he was eager to use Vitori despite his illegal bowling, because maybe he feels he can lay claim to him. But he did ignore Chatara for longer than we expected, even after he had recovered. So let’s see:
1.Bring in Ngarava and Mumba so you can build what will essentially your legacy. Again Streak could argue, they are out-and-out fast bowlers (unlike Jongwe and Madziva) who are also young Same treatment given to Mupariwa.
2.Cremer is already there as captain and lead spinner, so with Raza, Sean and Malcolm, I don’t have to pick Chisoro and Wellington, considering those three are capable batsmen in their own right, whose bowling is arguably comparable(in his opinion) to those two others.
3.Time to move on from Panyangara, but I’ll keep Tiripano who is also a workhorse but has an advantage in that he can bat.
4.Chatara injured or unfit, Mumba had a tough time, so instead of Shingi/Panyangara I'll go with again a player I can lay claim to - Mpofu.

That's my take on Heath Streak's thinking. I'm cracking my cracking my head trying to make sense of it, and I think these are the only arguments I could make in his favour considering what Zimbabwe has at its disposal.

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Fojela http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 45206.html
Sadly, neither got a chance to put on a Proteas jersey but some will moan when green Andile&Ngidi do:cry:

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Re: Zimbabwe Bowling Talent Stocks

Post by Black Mamba » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:05 pm

Two team will qualify for ICC World Cup 2019

1) West Indies

2) Ireland / Afghanistan / Zimbabwe / Scotland

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Re: ZIMBABWE BOWLING TALENT STOCKS

Post by jaybro » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:17 pm

brmtaylor.com admin wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:45 pm
I didn't realise how well Jarvis stacked up internationally until I saw those stats. Very good numbers.

And it also shows just by how far Cremer is our best bowler, and how important it is that we have a fit and firing Chatara in the team.

How good would it be to have:

8. Cremer
9. Panyangara
10. Jarvis
11. Chatara
I really like that bowling lineup Captain :W:

As for Hhm's comments you're probably right Streak plays favourites but what coach / manager doesn't ? In the end of the day they 'live and die' by their results so they should have the team they want. Streak has made no secret he wants to find some quick bowlers he did it when he was in charge a few years back and now he's trying to fast track Mumba & Ngarava.

I do feel for Madziva & Jongwe but although they're two players I really like I'm excited by the potential Mumba & Ngarava have.
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Re: Zimbabwe Bowling Talent Stocks

Post by CrimsonAvenger » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:52 am

A. Shingi's test records are quoted wrong, for example. He hasn't played 16 tests.
B. The arbitrary "30 years and under" age limit set for shorter formats is to hide how bad Panyangara's numbers look in ODIs.
C. That drivel about favoritism is so full of speculative text that even parts of what is correct (like Mpofu) is lost when one brings in illogical stuff about cases like Jongwe and Wellington.

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Re: Zimbabwe Bowling Talent Stocks

Post by ZIMDOGGY » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:44 am

The thing is, no one has backed shingi.
Not butcher, not Streak, not Waller, kaschula, Campbell, taibu mangongo etc
White guys and black guys before the racial card is played.

There's been no media about shingi getting rough treatment, not by him or his brothers. No one.

And he's a decent lower order hat to boot.

To me, the signs are that there is clearly a deficiency to shingi we aren't seeing. Our stocks have been low at times with injury and we still pick offical plods like muzurabani.
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Re: Zimbabwe Bowling Talent Stocks

Post by Flakeman » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:42 am

Please may nobody feel bad for Shingi. He's the opposite to Hami, who is a likable guy. Shingi thinks he owns cricket in this country, he's the kingpin at Mountaineers and has more pull than the coaches. He is a proper ZANU fool and doesn't know what manners are.

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Re: Zimbabwe Bowling Talent Stocks

Post by tawac » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:46 am

At what point do your move on from a player. Shingi has shown he has the goods. And should be considered. At the moment Zimbabwe just needs its best players. The youngsters can do the A stuff. Its sad when you see guys like Jaure being picked for A team duties when you have players like Musoko, Nyauchi, etc
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