OK so what about Jarvis' return...?

[pariah]

Mate, shut up and accept the reality. Kyle Jarvis and Brendan Taylor are back, and back for the better

Great news.

Anyone with any love for Zim cricket and any cricketing judgement at all can see that Taylor and Jarvis coming back strengthens Zimbabwe.

This is just empty elation. Quantify it!

Nice to see that Jaybro has said Zimbabwe can qualify, which was always the case. I'm still waiting for someone to say what Zimbabwe SHOULD achieve with these guys in the side. Go on.

We all know for some of the Associates it's a serious matter of sponsorship and funding, plus loss of player contracts if they don't qualify. Some have just 5/6 players contracted. Zimbabwe got its money strategically and politically, but it will run dry, and they are spending it recklessyly already. More so now that bridges have to an extent been burnt with India (not to mention employing a Pakistani to head ZC).

Why are you so afraid of stating the bare minimum? What was the objective of chasing these player? What improvement factor was the target?

[jaybro]

What are u going on about Hhm ??

Getting back BT & KJ have helped Zimbabwe's chances of qualifying but Afghanistan & West Indies are still favourites as they're both ranked higher.

You could argue Zimbabwe & Afghanistan are now equal second favourites due to home field advantage & the returning stars, you could argue Zimbabwe are now favourites over Afghanistan.

But IMO Afghanistan are still favourites because they have Nabi & Rashid Khan, they're both top 10 world t20 players and have done very well in ODI cricket as well. They're world class players and would make every other lineup in world cricket. How many players like this do Zimbabwe have ??

I don't think anyone will confidently say Zimbabwe will win but at least they're giving themselves the best chance possible.

[jimbo]

Can see a bowling line up of chatara Jarvis and cremer for the tests
No bad thing. Need to wrack up points. Zimbabwe have none in tests so teams don't get much ranking points should they beat us

[Jemisi]

Mate, shut up and accept the reality. Kyle Jarvis and Brendan Taylor are back, and back for the better

Great news.

Anyone with any love for Zim cricket and any cricketing judgement at all can see that Taylor and Jarvis coming back strengthens Zimbabwe.

This is just empty elation. Quantify it!

Nice to see that Jaybro has said Zimbabwe can qualify, which was always the case. I'm still waiting for someone to say what Zimbabwe SHOULD achieve with these guys in the side. Go on.

We all know for some of the Associates it's a serious matter of sponsorship and funding, plus loss of player contracts if they don't qualify. Some have just 5/6 players contracted. Zimbabwe got its money strategically and politically, but it will run dry, and they are spending it recklessyly already. More so now that bridges have to an extent been burnt with India (not to mention employing a Pakistani to head ZC).

Why are you so afraid of stating the bare minimum? What was the objective of chasing these player? What improvement factor was the target?

An uninjured Jarvis will take the most test wickets of any Zim seamer in the next two years.
Barring injury, Taylor will pass 50 more times than any other Zim test batsman in the next two years.

Why not quantify your gloominess over obviously good news?

[pariah]

An uninjured Jarvis will take the most test wickets of any Zim seamer in the next two years.
Barring injury, Taylor will pass 50 more times than any other Zim test batsman in the next two years.

Don't start.

Between 2011 and 2013 when Jarvis was in the side, he got 30 wickets in 8 matches, and over the same period Panyangara got 9 wickets in just 2 matches. Overall Panyangara has 31 wickets and a 26.22 Test average after 9 matches, while Jarvis has 30 wicekts and a 31.73 average from 8 matches. Panyangara could afford to start as a teenager, and overall bowled to significantly superior batsmen, went on a hiatus, and still come back and be a better seamer than Jarvis. There's no contest between the two. NONE. SO instead of saying an uninjured Jarvis, you should say for as long as Panyangara is not picked. I can stick out my neck and say Jarvis is not good enough to outbowl Panyangara in a Series never mind 2 years!

If some of those matches are away, then your Taylor prediction won't be a forgone conclusion and you know it. Hami, Mawoyo and Chakabva already proved that. Strangely during the time that Taylor played Tests for Zimbabwe before retiring(2011-2014), Craig Ervine played 7 Tests and recorded neither a century nor a half-century (of course since Taylor left he's scored 2 centuries and 3 fifties). The question you should be asking is, Vusi the 3 highest run scorer after Taylor and Hami during that 2011-2014 period has not played a single Test since year Taylor left, but a Malcolm Waller has gone on to be selected and played 3 more but still averages less and has scored less runs than Vusi, despite being nowhere near top 4 batting positions, yet continues to be in fan and national Test XIs?!

You continue to ignore such overwhelming evidence of bias which is why none of you can quantify the value Jarvis and Taylor's return will bring to the TEAM IN TERMS OF RESULTS! Absolutely no one here can or will dare to do so, for fear of being predictably wrong. Numbers will never lie!

[pariah]

I don't think anyone will confidently say Zimbabwe will win but at least they're giving themselves the best chance possible.

So basically, you're saying the upside is ZIM will lose to AFG by 1 wicket or 4 runs as opposed to 2 wickets or 8 runs?

[jaybro]

I don't think anyone will confidently say Zimbabwe will win but at least they're giving themselves the best chance possible.

So basically, you're saying the upside is ZIM will lose to AFG by 1 wicket or 4 runs as opposed to 2 wickets or 8 runs?

No thats not what I'm saying, I'm saying BT & KJ give Zimbabwe a better chance of winning than without them.

[Flakeman]

Stats are only important to you when they favour your point of view. You refuse to acknowledge the absolute crap stats almost all your quota friends in SA have.

[Jemisi]

Jarvis has taken over 100 proper FC wickets whilst Panyangara has been barely able to waddle onto the park.

If you think Panyangara will have a good return and outbowl Jarvis, that will be great. Because it will mean we have an extra seamer taking 3+ wickets per test. But your lack of enthusiasm for a bowler who will take wickets is telling.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Like CrimsonAvenger, I'll wait until it's official before celebrating but I reckon zimfan1 sounds pretty confident.

It's actually really hard to put together a Test XI now because there's talent being left out.

1 S Raza
2 H Masakadza
3 C Ervine
4 B Taylor
5 S Williams
6 T Musakanda
7 R Chakabva (wk)
8 G Cremer (c)
9 D Tiripano
10 K Jarvis
11 T Chatara

There's a few other combinations you could try too. Swap M Waller for Tiripano if you didn't want 3 seamers (or Chatara if you want more batting depth). PJ Moor for Chakabva is a possibility.

Could always bring back Mawoyo to open, put Raza down the order and drop Musakanda. Likewise, maybe Mire could open in Tests.

Exciting times ahead.