Zimbabwe's Test future

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true. that's nothing. honestly speaking the ICC will never see the game grow if they continue like this.

problem with FTP is that you see we were supposed to play Australia in Australia. a test match.. now it's a t20 tri series in Zim. you can't trust that thing. seems like that whole carrot of playing the proteas opponents in 4 day tests was a lie too

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I would have loved to see an Aus v Zim test match, would try my hardest to get there. But Sutherland and his mob of merry men at Jolimont St only care about the money. Sadly we aren't a big enough drawcard.
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TapsC wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:14 am
true. that's nothing. honestly speaking the ICC will never see the game grow if they continue like this.

problem with FTP is that you see we were supposed to play Australia in Australia. a test match.. now it's a t20 tri series in Zim. you can't trust that thing. seems like that whole carrot of playing the proteas opponents in 4 day tests was a lie too
This FTP is different. Its firmly entrenched due to the Test and ODI league structure. Its not just a whimsical list of random bilaterals. If ZIM are scheduled for a Test in Australia, it will be a Test in Aus. Might be a 4 dayer if its before 2019, but the ICC said all Tests from 2019 have to be proper 5 day games.
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I hope there is a promotion and relegation system then

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Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:05 am
I hope there is a promotion and relegation system then
Relegation is a dumb concept for a Test league given Test status should be a permanent thing barring extreme circumstances. Thankfully it was duly opposed first by Bangladesh and then Sri Lanka. The idea of status fluctuating every cycle is ridiculous. None of the NBA, NFL, MLB, or NHL have such a model and maybe I'm partial but relegation might work for dumb sports like soccer but cricket is too dignified for that.

Permanent relegation should only occur if a team has been hopeless for a very long period of time.

Promotion is already present with Ireland and Afghanistan getting elevated to Test status. Promotion to the League is most likely also there once performance over some considerable length of time convinces the majority of full members a country deserves promotion.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:20 pm
Promotion is already present with Ireland and Afghanistan getting elevated to Test status. Promotion to the League is most likely also there once performance over some considerable length of time convinces the majority of full members a country deserves promotion.
I agree.

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Promotion and relegation is a dumb concept that for some reason, Brits seem to not be able to get enough of in their sporting culture.

Americans and Aussies (even kiwis) will never ever be able to understand or get their head around the concept.
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Promotion and relegation are awesome, although only in domestic competitions, not in international ones.

One has to wonder if the ICC has the power, gumption, wherewithal, etc to ever have a coherent and consistent international program. Perhaps the random, unbalanced, and often pointless fixture list is just a perennial quirk of what must be the quirkiest game of them all?
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eugene wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:17 am
Promotion and relegation are awesome, although only in domestic competitions, not in international ones.

One has to wonder if the ICC has the power, gumption, wherewithal, etc to ever have a coherent and consistent international program. Perhaps the random, unbalanced, and often pointless fixture list is just a perennial quirk of what must be the quirkiest game of them all?
This is close to the best possible situation. I am fairly optimistic about the health of Test cricket (ODIs have clearly become a secondary concern behind T20s).

Cricket is a unique sport in that its the only one where the international game competes with franchise based play (IPL) as the pinnacle of the sport. Even more relevant the game is essentially played by about 20 countries, half of whom have populations and economies smaller than a large American city eg Chicago.

What that means is that game will be controlled by a sufficiently large powerhouse (India) and there is no escaping that reality.
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eugene wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:17 am
Promotion and relegation are awesome, although only in domestic competitions, not in international ones.

Promotiom and releation also work well in the World Cricket League. But they have no place amongst the top 12 Test playing nations. That should be an elite club where entry is difficult, and expulsion even more so. If you make it too easy to attain, you will repeat the unfortunate circumstances of Bangladesh until about 2010.
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