ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Participate in discussion with your fellow Zimbabwe cricket fans!
Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7038
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Kriterion_BD »

Andybligzz wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:52 am
Based on the past 2 years, Cremer offers just as much as Williams with the bat and more with the ball. Williams is not reliable with bat nor with ball.
[/quote]

Look up his bowling stats from last year , if you rate him or you don’t rate him it doesn’t really matter he took the 2nd most wickets at a good economy rate. Stats don’t lie , more than reliable with the ball, yes his batting has dropped off though.
[/quote]

BD team has a lot of lefties in the lineup...SL usually always has a few lefties as well. So that would blunt the effect of an SLA like Williams. Cremer can still be effective since he has the googlies in his aresenal.

Btw, here's a few snippets from Cremer and Streak (without Bengali voiceovers), as the ZIM boys have reached Dhaka safely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... evX7AOsbec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

User avatar
Andybligzz
Posts: 769
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:07 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Andybligzz »

Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:00 pm
Andybligzz wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:52 am
Based on the past 2 years, Cremer offers just as much as Williams with the bat and more with the ball. Williams is not reliable with bat nor with ball.
Look up his bowling stats from last year , if you rate him or you don’t rate him it doesn’t really matter he took the 2nd most wickets at a good economy rate. Stats don’t lie , more than reliable with the ball, yes his batting has dropped off though.
[/quote]

BD team has a lot of lefties in the lineup...SL usually always has a few lefties as well. So that would blunt the effect of an SLA like Williams. Cremer can still be effective since he has the googlies in his aresenal.

Btw, here's a few snippets from Cremer and Streak (without Bengali voiceovers), as the ZIM boys have reached Dhaka safely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... evX7AOsbec
[/quote]

Just because you say Bangladesh has a few left handers does not take away the fact you said Williams is unreliable with the ball . Left or right handers his bowling the last year was the 2nd best we had , the fact the bloke averages 31 at international level over a long period of time proves he is class. Yes the last few years he hasn’t been what we expect from him , but he’s to good of a player to be left out . He has been the glue of the zim odi middle order alongside Taylor since pretty much the post rebel days . He’s also coming into the “peak” age for batsman . I’d rather him over 99 percent of the “talent “ running around zim at the moment .
The Zimbabwe Cricket team have found Ebola in one of their members, but they're not concerned because they have also found Ebatsmen and Efielda!

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7038
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Kriterion_BD »

Andybligzz wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:54 pm
Just because you say Bangladesh has a few left handers does not take away the fact you said Williams is unreliable with the ball . Left or right handers his bowling the last year was the 2nd best we had , the fact the bloke averages 31 at international level over a long period of time proves he is class. Yes the last few years he hasn’t been what we expect from him , but he’s to good of a player to be left out . He has been the glue of the zim odi middle order alongside Taylor since pretty much the post rebel days . He’s also coming into the “peak” age for batsman . I’d rather him over 99 percent of the “talent “ running around zim at the moment .
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

Overall he averages 50 against BD and 80 against SL. Thats all I'm saying. In Bangladesh, he has 3 wickets at an average of 66. Thats all I'm saying. And the reason he averages 50 against BD is because most of his games were against BD when they were still developing as a side. The past 2 years, he averages 69 vs BD and 80 vs SL.

The past 2 years he's done well, but thats been largely because of Afghanistan's inept batsman. It would be tougher in this tri series than bowling to Afghan and Scottish right handers.

Raza is good enough to fill the all-rounder slot and with Cremer you have another guy who can contribute in both disciplines. Chisoro as a specialist is more suited to fill the SLA quota than a Williams who can't justify inclusion into the XI based on the bowling stats above, and would be lucky to make it as a batter.

The probability of the next 4-5 games bucking the trend of the previous 100+ is very small, statistically speaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

User avatar
Andybligzz
Posts: 769
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:07 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Andybligzz »

I get what you are saying but overall he has to play , the talent pool in zim
Is to shallow and he’s a genuine quality player that belongs in the zim odi shirt. Insane that he’s been left out
The Zimbabwe Cricket team have found Ebola in one of their members, but they're not concerned because they have also found Ebatsmen and Efielda!

strikerlube
Posts: 164
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:12 am

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by strikerlube »

Hey guys, thought I'd do a "key players" thing for Lanka and Zim because I watch them a fair bit. Watch a bit of bangla but maybe kriterion can help with his thoughts.
SL

1. Dickwella and Gunathilaka. These 2 proved to be a tough time for Zimbabwe in the 5 match ODI series in October. they became the first opening pair to have 2 successive double hundred stands. They work well together and run effectively. Dickwella is always exciting and guna is more traditional.Tharanga and also kusal mendis have huge roles to play to not put too much on Mathews shoulders.

Hasaranga/Sandakan. The two wrist spinners of the lankan team with different bowling arms. Hasaranga shown he has attitude and is a fighter, aggressive breed of cricketer. Took a hat trick vs Zim . Sandakan is a proven match winner but can also put lanka in a bad position with loose bowling. Expect one to play every game and maybe both if the one is bowling economically.

ZIM

Zim.
Mire & Masakadza at the top. Same as dickwella/guna, these two caused headaches for sri lanka in the last series. Mire registering a blistering 112 of 96 balls. Hamilton Masakadza was man of the series clocking up 253 runs including 1 hundred and 1 fifty @ 50.6.
Sikandar Raza. An amazing allrounder of shakib al hasan quality. Became the only allrounder other than Kallis to score 80+ in both batting innings and take a 5 wicket haul in the same game. Is an explosive player. Brendan Taylor must also finally fucking do something to justify his $$$.

Cremer / Chatara. Chatara must be fit. These 2 will be the most deadly bowlers for zim, Cremer gets the ball to rip and creates chances averaging 31 for a leggie in ODIs. Chatara is easily the best fast bowler in the country but hasnt played much recently due to injury.

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7038
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Kriterion_BD »

Andybligzz wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:19 am
I get what you are saying but overall he has to play , the talent pool in zim
Is to shallow and he’s a genuine quality player that belongs in the zim odi shirt. Insane that he’s been left out
Youre right...despite the numbers Id still have Williams in my best XI. But I dont think he would change the outcome of any match.

ZIM best XI IMO would be

Hamilton
Mire
Ervine
Taylor
Raza
Moor/Waller
Williams
Cremer
Chisoro
Jarvis
Chatara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7038
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Kriterion_BD »

strikerlube wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:44 am
Hey guys, thought I'd do a "key players" thing for Lanka and Zim because I watch them a fair bit. Watch a bit of bangla but maybe kriterion can help with his thoughts.
SL

1. Dickwella and Gunathilaka. These 2 proved to be a tough time for Zimbabwe in the 5 match ODI series in October. they became the first opening pair to have 2 successive double hundred stands. They work well together and run effectively. Dickwella is always exciting and guna is more traditional.Tharanga and also kusal mendis have huge roles to play to not put too much on Mathews shoulders.

Hasaranga/Sandakan. The two wrist spinners of the lankan team with different bowling arms. Hasaranga shown he has attitude and is a fighter, aggressive breed of cricketer. Took a hat trick vs Zim . Sandakan is a proven match winner but can also put lanka in a bad position with loose bowling. Expect one to play every game and maybe both if the one is bowling economically.

ZIM

Zim.
Mire & Masakadza at the top. Same as dickwella/guna, these two caused headaches for sri lanka in the last series. Mire registering a blistering 112 of 96 balls. Hamilton Masakadza was man of the series clocking up 253 runs including 1 hundred and 1 fifty @ 50.6.
Sikandar Raza. An amazing allrounder of shakib al hasan quality. Became the only allrounder other than Kallis to score 80+ in both batting innings and take a 5 wicket haul in the same game. Is an explosive player. Brendan Taylor must also finally fucking do something to justify his $$$.

Cremer / Chatara. Chatara must be fit. These 2 will be the most deadly bowlers for zim, Cremer gets the ball to rip and creates chances averaging 31 for a leggie in ODIs. Chatara is easily the best fast bowler in the country but hasnt played much recently due to injury.
Whoaaaa...Raza of Shakib quality? I'll admit Raza's bowling has come on but you have to remember Shakib has tremendous guile with ball and has played mind boggling innings vs world class attacks.

Key players for us: Tamim, Mushfiq, Shakib, Riyad, Mustafiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

Mueddie28
Posts: 1114
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:59 pm

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by Mueddie28 »

Andybligzz wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:19 am
I get what you are saying but overall he has to play , the talent pool in zim
Is to shallow and he’s a genuine quality player that belongs in the zim odi shirt. Insane that he’s been left out
Stop with this Sean William axe..
Common sense says they is another series against Afaghanstan
M Waller struggles Sean William in
Murray struggles BT keep
PJ Moor loses form Burl or Musakanda return
Mavuta or Chisoro struggles Mumba & welly return
So they is still a aloy of cricket before the WC qualify

strikerlube
Posts: 164
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:12 am

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by strikerlube »

Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:32 am
strikerlube wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:44 am
Whoaaaa...Raza of Shakib quality? I'll admit Raza's bowling has come on but you have to remember Shakib has tremendous guile with ball and has played mind boggling innings vs world class attacks.

Key players for us: Tamim, Mushfiq, Shakib, Riyad, Mustafiz.
Yeah fair I probably pushed it a bit but he's more in form than shakib right now - with both. True defs not quite at his bowling level. I agree mustafizur will be crucial to the games. Bangla should win this first one with the crud prep and all. Zim win it then the series could keep swimming our way.

User avatar
jaybro
Posts: 10390
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:36 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: ZIM-BD-SL Tri Series 2018: Pre-series Discussion

Post by jaybro »

I’ve been thinking about it and I reckon 100% Williams has done something that Streak & co weren’t happy about during or after the 1st test v WI.

He hasn’t featured for Zim ever since despite playing in matches for the Tuskers

The fact Williams has been left out and PJ Moor is there shows there’s clearly more than form keeping him out.
Chairman of the Neville Madziva fan Club

Originator of the #mumbamania movement

Post Reply