ICC CWC Qualifiers announced

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 am
eugene wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:33 pm
Cricket is so weird sometimes. In what other sport would you have two nations play an international fixture that isn't really an international fixture?
Its to keep the integrity of the records as Jay has pointed out above. Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah look I'm all for the preservation of stats but if you make a shit call to make the world cup 10 teams with only 8 qualifiers you set yourself up for heavyweights vs lightweights so tough luck ICC I say. They're just being rough.

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jaybro wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:35 am
eugene wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:33 pm
firebreaker wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:43 am
So the matches involving non-ODI members will not be ODIs? It would seem quite idiotic tbh
Cricket is so weird sometimes. In what other sport would you have two nations play an international fixture that isn't really an international fixture?
It’s all to do with preserving statistics and avoiding lobsided matches, not many other international sports are so fixated on stats like cricket and to be be fair pretty much every international sport tries to avoid organising fixtures between heavy weights and amateur sides.

By upholding ODI and Test status the ICC can limit can avoid having India ever having to play Namibia again, that’s the whole reason behind the 10 Team World Cup
India keeps on playing SL.How about taking away status from SL as well? At least we will have some new teams playing cricket rather than same crap for last 10 years

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The sanctity of stats is nothing but a delusion. Or is there anyone who can honestly say that cricket is the same game as in WG Grace's time, that it wasn't a different game when pitches were uncovered, when you had to face the quicks without helmet, or just recently when every chucker was allowed to bowl his doosra? I've not seen an asterisk against our batsmen's stats for the D/N experiment either.

And so what if a PNG batsman averages 100 in ODIs against Fiji, Vanuatu and Japan? Stats shouldn't be sacred. Stats need to be interpreted. And so what if Bahamas and the Cayman Islands decide to play 50 Test matches against each other next year and some bowler takes 500 wickets at 5. We still know that he isn't the greatest bowler in history.

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foreignfield wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:00 am
The sanctity of stats is nothing but a delusion. Or is there anyone who can honestly say that cricket is the same game as in WG Grace's time, that it wasn't a different game when pitches were uncovered, when you had to face the quicks without helmet, or just recently when every chucker was allowed to bowl his doosra? I've not seen an asterisk against our batsmen's stats for the D/N experiment either.

And so what if a PNG batsman averages 100 in ODIs against Fiji, Vanuatu and Japan? Stats shouldn't be sacred. Stats need to be interpreted. And so what if Bahamas and the Cayman Islands decide to play 50 Test matches against each other next year and some bowler takes 500 wickets at 5. We still know that he isn't the greatest bowler in history.
^ This.

It is absolutely ridiculous, the elitist attitude of the governing body and the top boards. There are hundreds of ways to filter out less meaningful stats if one wants to. Say, performances against the top 10 nations through a career, etc.

Perceived economic infeasibility in playing lesser nations and lack of desire to spread the game are the only reasons for this attitude. Stats have nothing to do with it.

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What is wrong with India playing Namibia? Just as well no one thought Zimbabwe v England in 92 was a joke, or Kenya v West Indies in 96.
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It all comes down to maximizing matches between the top 8 which has always been the ICC's top priority since the 2006 Champions Trophy was limited to 8 teams. If you recall, the bottom 4 teams (#7-10) had a prelim qualifyer round to join the top 6 who had automatic berths. The 2015 World Cup was supposed to be a 10 team event, but the ICC relented in 2011 after Ireland beat England in the group stages.

As soon as the tournament goes to 12 Teams, you have to split them into 2 groups and that reduces the "high value" matches or increases the low value ones like India vs Namibia.

I think the ODI league is a massive boon because it allows 3 associates (won't refer to IRE and AFG as full members for another 10 years) the opportunity to mix it up with the Test nations. Thats better than a WC, IMO. Associates can't complain now about a 10 team world cup. 3 of them (IRE, AFG, NET) are getting a chance to qualify directly for the main event by finishing in the top 8.

What the ICC could/should do is expand the ODI league to 16 teams. If each team plays 15 ODIs per year (5 series of 3 matches), you can play all teams in a 3 year cycle.
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Current U19 WC or them in general reflects the reason why ICC don't want to have 16 team WC because it can really result in one of the 'major' teams losing out on QF berth which might not benefit ICC at all because team like SL are cricket crazy nation and alot of money could be made out of their matches but considering their form right now,There would have been high chances of them getting knocked out in 16 team WC

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Ironically enough, the 16-team format in 2007 was the best as it limited the number of matches the minnows played. If India and Pakistan hadn't been knocked-out I bet the 4 groups of 4 format would have been stuck with.
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eugene wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:27 pm
Ironically enough, the 16-team format in 2007 was the best as it limited the number of matches the minnows played. If India and Pakistan hadn't been knocked-out I bet the 4 groups of 4 format would have been stuck with.
Yep the success of the minnows basically sealed their own doom.
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It really was a great format, with the Super 8s being the bulk of the tournament. I am sure the 10-team league format will be exciting also, but it sacrifices the minnows too much for my liking.
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