[Match Thread]: 2018 Tri-Series Match 2 | Zimbabwe vs Sri Lanka

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Andybligzz wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:58 am
tawac wrote:
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Hammy is pure class and the rock of the team. Without the solid foundation we would have not made 290. Much credit should go to him.

Don't really know if we want to have untouchables in the team again. If a player is out of form, it just that he is out of form. Ervine has been terrible.

Jarvis has an average in the mid 40s hardly the stuff of legends don't see the need to compare him with Rabada.
No one was comparing him to rabada , simply saying there is no rabada waiting in the wings and Jarvis is the best we have at the moment .

Good to see some people bother to actually read posts properly whilst others just breeze through before making fools of themselves.

The comparison of KJ to Tinashe is fair as they both have very similar returns in all formats, if KJ is still going at 6 an over and taking 1 wicket per match after 65 ODI’s then it’s fair to say he was a rubbish ODI bowler.

But for goodness sakes he’s bowled 13 overs since his return and you’re already writing him off ??

Again I’ll ask who is he keeping out that’s so special ??

And btw Mupariwa was unfairly dropped back in his prime but once he returned in the World Cup it was clear he wasn’t up to international cricket anymore.
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Also TapsC no idea ignored your statement about Tinashe bowling well in the PP but even though he would often have 1-10 off his first 5 overs he’d always finish for about 1-60. His economy rate in the PP was great but his death bowling was probably the worst of any Zim bowler in recent times
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Andybligzz wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:34 am
tawac wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:20 am
Andybligzz wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:58 am

No one was comparing him to rabada , simply saying there is no rabada waiting in the wings and Jarvis is the best we have at the moment .
Chatara is the best seamer we have.
In Odis yes , tests no .what I was saying is that there’s no one screaming the door down to come in for Jarvis . Not having a argument with you just pointing out what was said , no one thinks Jarvis is at rabadas level .not to many bowlers in the world come close to rabada, having jarvis in that bracket is insane.
Hahahah.. people will say anything to back their choices. You have quickly discovered to your credit that Chatara is your best ODI fast bowler, how have you ascertained that Chatara is not the best Test bowler we have?

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jaybro wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:18 am
Andybligzz wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:58 am
tawac wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:51 am
Hammy is pure class and the rock of the team. Without the solid foundation we would have not made 290. Much credit should go to him.

Don't really know if we want to have untouchables in the team again. If a player is out of form, it just that he is out of form. Ervine has been terrible.

Jarvis has an average in the mid 40s hardly the stuff of legends don't see the need to compare him with Rabada.
No one was comparing him to rabada , simply saying there is no rabada waiting in the wings and Jarvis is the best we have at the moment .

Good to see some people bother to actually read posts properly whilst others just breeze through before making fools of themselves.

The comparison of KJ to Tinashe is fair as they both have very similar returns in all formats, if KJ is still going at 6 an over and taking 1 wicket per match after 65 ODI’s then it’s fair to say he was a rubbish ODI bowler.

But for goodness sakes he’s bowled 13 overs since his return and you’re already writing him off ??

Again I’ll ask who is he keeping out that’s so special ??

And btw Mupariwa was unfairly dropped back in his prime but once he returned in the World Cup it was clear he wasn’t up to international cricket anymore.
I will say is again: Together with Shingi Masakadza, those two were already terrible in ODI cricket wayyyy.... before Kyle left for England.

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Competition is a very good thing for our team. Its quite foolish to classify certain players as untouchables when they don't really bring in anything special from the rest.
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Conant wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:44 am
Andybligzz wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:34 am
tawac wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:20 am


Chatara is the best seamer we have.
In Odis yes , tests no .what I was saying is that there’s no one screaming the door down to come in for Jarvis . Not having a argument with you just pointing out what was said , no one thinks Jarvis is at rabadas level .not to many bowlers in the world come close to rabada, having jarvis in that bracket is insane.
Hahahah.. people will say anything to back their choices. You have quickly discovered to your credit that Chatara is your best ODI fast bowler, how have you ascertained that Chatara is not the best Test bowler we have?
This is ridiculous ! Because he hadn’t played lately maybe that’s why , Jarvis has been our best test bowler of late because he has played , if Chatara plays and takes wickets and out bowls Jarvis then my argument will change. I think they are both good bowlers and I have wanted Chatara to take the new ball with Jarvis in the longer format for ages. If you had read my early posts in other discussion I have stated this passionately . I don’t get why you think it’s befecause of favourites ! Chatara is one of my favourite zim cricketers and I’m not saying he’s not a good bowler in the longer format , just Jarvis has played lately and done very well. Christ
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foreignfield wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:26 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote:
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sloandog wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:20 am
He's bowling very well today, and bowled a ball at 140 Kph.
Clearly lots to work with and looks to have a lovely strong action.

Chatara and Jarvis should now be considered as seamers, not fast medium. Really is a shame how much pace they have both lost.


Too many easy fucking singles!!!!!!!!!!!
has he but?

Am I the only one that clarly remembers Jarvis always being a 125-1130 bowler?

5 years ago we were all talking about how slow we found him after all the hype as a junior.
No, we were disappointed because we were hoping for him to hit 140+, but he bowled in the mid 130s, now he's 8-10 kph slower.
My memory of a typical Jarvis over would be something like this;

125, 125, 127, 131,128, 129.

Occasionally he would rip out the odd 135-137 kind of ball but it was far between.
It isn’t much difference to what’s he doing today.

Granted, I am seeing a lot more sub 125 balls from him, I do grant you this, but I think we are remembering his pace with rose coloured tints.
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I remember to this day a spell he bowled at Jaques Kallis in 2009 in SA, and he bowled a ball at 148Kph, and genuinely hurried Kallis with his pace and bounce

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sloandog wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm
I remember to this day a spell he bowled at Jaques Kallis in 2009 in SA, and he bowled a ball at 148Kph, and genuinely hurried Kallis with his pace and bounce
After that 2009 stress fracture he never bowled that pace again

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ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:28 pm
foreignfield wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:26 pm
No, we were disappointed because we were hoping for him to hit 140+, but he bowled in the mid 130s, now he's 8-10 kph slower.
My memory of a typical Jarvis over would be something like this;

125, 125, 127, 131,128, 129.

Occasionally he would rip out the odd 135-137 kind of ball but it was far between.
It isn’t much difference to what’s he doing today.

Granted, I am seeing a lot more sub 125 balls from him, I do grant you this, but I think we are remembering his pace with rose coloured tints.
Maybe we were watching different matches with different speed-guns. We never had the bowling speeds for home matches then, and yes I seem to remember that his pace was lower than expected when we toured NZ (which I didn't watch due to the time difference), but what I think I remember very well is the Test series in the Carribean where he bowled with Chatara: Chatara was operating around the 130 mark with the odd really quick ball (138-140), and Jarvis was definitely quicker on average: I'd say a typical over would have been 133, 131, 135, 129, 136, 134.

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