Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Participate in discussion with your fellow Zimbabwe cricket fans!
User avatar
Black Mamba
Posts: 996
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 am
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by Black Mamba »

Akila from Sri Lanka is mainly an off spinner and can also bowl wrist spin googly with same action, see his stats in last one year he has troubled Asian teams like Bangladesh & India who are generally great players of spin.Strong Proteas batting line up found no clue how to play in their recent 2-0 white wash

Lyon is a finger spin, but what made him tough to face is the pace change and getting natural bounce in any tracks he plays.Raza & Williams doesn't have enough variation, they failed to deliver in that only test against Sri Lanka, where Zimbabwe was in strong position and Cremer was much effective.Left arm spinners can't trouble Bangladesh batsman ad they are much famaliar with them. Bangladesh are'nt comfortable with leg spin. Ish Sodhi, Yasir Shah, Bishoo, Rashid has troubled them recently mainly with their googly as its tough to judge since its delivered in same action and leg spinners are regarded as wicket takers anywhere in the world. Chisoro is good in shorter format Magrira will be better in test then him.

User avatar
Stoneman Returns
Posts: 328
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:03 am
Supports: Mashonaland Eagles

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by Stoneman Returns »

Its harsh on Rugare Magriri not getting picked despite getting many wickets in domestic cricket and also a 7 fer. He has been getting overlooked for W Masakadza, Chisoro and selectors come back man Jhon Nyumbu
Success depends on Aggressive Instinct

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7035
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by Kriterion_BD »

CrimsonAvenger wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:45 am

This is where the spinners from the subcontinent have had a tough time of late. While they do well in their tailor-made spin heavens, they don't really have too many tricks up their sleeves once the conditions are a bit alien.
I think this has to do with pitches. For example when you look at Murali's record you see that he has great numbers in places like England and NZ and perhaps in SA too. But if you look at the youtube videos, you can see that those pitches offered turn that simply doesn't exist on most pitches outside the subcontinent these days.

Maharaj has also bowled very well. I'd rate Lyon, Maharaj, and Jadeja as the top 3 finger spinners in Tests right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

Kriterion_BD
Posts: 7035
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:41 am

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by Kriterion_BD »

Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 am
Akila from Sri Lanka is mainly an off spinner and can also bowl wrist spin googly with same action, see his stats in last one year he has troubled Asian teams like Bangladesh & India who are generally great players of spin.Strong Proteas batting line up found no clue how to play in their recent 2-0 white wash

Lyon is a finger spin, but what made him tough to face is the pace change and getting natural bounce in any tracks he plays.Raza & Williams doesn't have enough variation, they failed to deliver in that only test against Sri Lanka, where Zimbabwe was in strong position and Cremer was much effective.Left arm spinners can't trouble Bangladesh batsman ad they are much famaliar with them. Bangladesh are'nt comfortable with leg spin. Ish Sodhi, Yasir Shah, Bishoo, Rashid has troubled them recently mainly with their googly as its tough to judge since its delivered in same action and leg spinners are regarded as wicket takers anywhere in the world. Chisoro is good in shorter format Magrira will be better in test then him.
On turning wickets most players can't play spin too well. Check out India's tour of Sri Lanka in 2015 and how India lost to Australia in Pune in 2017. On turning wickets, Bangladesh can't play spin well either. Even SLAs will do damage to our batsmen on a turning track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

User avatar
Black Mamba
Posts: 996
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 am
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by Black Mamba »

Kriterion_BD wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:50 am
Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 am
Akila from Sri Lanka is mainly an off spinner and can also bowl wrist spin googly with same action, see his stats in last one year he has troubled Asian teams like Bangladesh & India who are generally great players of spin.Strong Proteas batting line up found no clue how to play in their recent 2-0 white wash

Lyon is a finger spin, but what made him tough to face is the pace change and getting natural bounce in any tracks he plays.Raza & Williams doesn't have enough variation, they failed to deliver in that only test against Sri Lanka, where Zimbabwe was in strong position and Cremer was much effective.Left arm spinners can't trouble Bangladesh batsman ad they are much famaliar with them. Bangladesh are'nt comfortable with leg spin. Ish Sodhi, Yasir Shah, Bishoo, Rashid has troubled them recently mainly with their googly as its tough to judge since its delivered in same action and leg spinners are regarded as wicket takers anywhere in the world. Chisoro is good in shorter format Magrira will be better in test then him.
On turning wickets most players can't play spin too well. Check out India's tour of Sri Lanka in 2015 and how India lost to Australia in Pune in 2017. On turning wickets, Bangladesh can't play spin well either. Even SLAs will do damage to our batsmen on a turning track.
India - South Africa 2015 also happened in a turning square, same with Bangladesh against England and Australia in both occassion host dominated the series....in one or two instance it may happen that the good spin playing nation failing to counter spin
Last edited by Black Mamba on Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:59 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
jaybro
Posts: 10390
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:36 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by jaybro »

Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 am
Bangladesh are'nt comfortable with leg spin. Ish Sodhi, Yasir Shah, Bishoo, Rashid has troubled them recently mainly with their googly as its tough to judge since its delivered in same action and leg spinners are regarded as wicket takers anywhere in the world.
Looking at the stats of the four leg spinners you mentioned against Bangladesh the only one who has a good record against them is Bishoo who averages 22 against Bangladesh, funnily enough Bishoo doesn't bowl a googly which was pointed out by Ian Bishop during the Zimbabwe v Windies Test series ( he may have developed one since ).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling
Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 am

Raza & Williams doesn't have enough variation, they failed to deliver in that only test against Sri Lanka, where Zimbabwe was in strong position
Williams took 6 wickets in the first Test against the Windies then Raza took 5 for in the 2nd Test, the pitch in Sri Lanka was very flat and Zimbabwe's bowlers ran out of steam due to their error of not bowling the seamers at all. It was a big mistake to make Cremer and Williams bowl so many overs.

Im sorry Mamba but you won't convince me it would be smarter to play Brandon Mavuta instead of an extra batsman, it makes no sense when our batting struggles against spin and when we have two all rounders who are just as good a bowler than the other spin options.
Chairman of the Neville Madziva fan Club

Originator of the #mumbamania movement

User avatar
Black Mamba
Posts: 996
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 am
Supports: Matabeleland Tuskers

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by Black Mamba »

jaybro wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:59 am
Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 am
Bangladesh are'nt comfortable with leg spin. Ish Sodhi, Yasir Shah, Bishoo, Rashid has troubled them recently mainly with their googly as its tough to judge since its delivered in same action and leg spinners are regarded as wicket takers anywhere in the world.
Looking at the stats of the four leg spinners you mentioned against Bangladesh the only one who has a good record against them is Bishoo who averages 22 against Bangladesh, funnily enough Bishoo doesn't bowl a googly which was pointed out by Ian Bishop during the Zimbabwe v Windies Test series ( he may have developed one since ).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling
Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:48 am

Raza & Williams doesn't have enough variation, they failed to deliver in that only test against Sri Lanka, where Zimbabwe was in strong position
Williams took 6 wickets in the first Test against the Windies then Raza took 5 for in the 2nd Test, the pitch in Sri Lanka was very flat and Zimbabwe's bowlers ran out of steam due to their error of not bowling the seamers at all. It was a big mistake to make Cremer and Williams bowl so many overs.

Im sorry Mamba but you won't convince me it would be smarter to play Brandon Mavuta instead of an extra batsman, it makes no sense when our batting struggles against spin and when we have two all rounders who are just as good a bowler than the other spin options.
If 6 batsman fails to counter Shakib & Co, i don't believe 7th or what u call the extra batsman will come and bash the spinners.8+3 combination is an ideal for drawing a test, though there is adifference between Bangladesh & Zimbabwe but still Zimbabwe should be playing with an winning combination of 7+4 where one of ghem can bat and moreover Bangladesh test playing mentality is in question as most of their stars have expressed not to play the longest format brcause of fitness or less excitement.

User avatar
jaybro
Posts: 10390
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:36 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by jaybro »

Black Mamba wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:03 am
If 6 batsman fails to counter Shakib & Co, i don't believe 7th or what u call the extra batsman will come and bash the spinners.8+3 combination is an ideal for drawing a test.
Incorrect

When we played the 8-3 against Sri Lanka the '8th batsman' was Malcolm Waller and he scored over 100 runs and helped save both innings

Against the Windies Regis batted @8 and saved the Test

On a pitch that favours the bowlers it's smart to play an extra batsman especially if you have guys like Raza & Williams who can take wickets ( I feel like I'm repeating myself ). On a pitch where 250 is a good score even a 30 odd from the '8th batsman' would be crucial.

IMO Cremer is our best spinner and Chisoro is slightly head of Raza & Williams, the rest I don't really rate, so whats the point of playing another spinner when the all rounders can do just as good a job.
Chairman of the Neville Madziva fan Club

Originator of the #mumbamania movement

User avatar
zimbos_05
Posts: 3057
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:00 am

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by zimbos_05 »

I can't understand. Against Pakistan everyone was talking about how the series shows why we need to blood the youth and have a grassroots structure, and now that we have an opportunity to get some youth in to the team, people go running back to Hammy. I know he is experienced and you cant throw the young guys to the sharks, but we don't really have that luxury. Hammy's experience is counting for nought. He makes school boy errors still. Some of the youngsters have shown some talent, so give them a go. Get them in to the training camps from now and start building them up and training them for these tours.

As for Moor, he is one of our better test batsmen. His problem is that he has batted everywhere. He has no specified role. His role has changed so often, it's hard for him to settle. I think he is a test player no doubt and can offer something to the team big time, but he needs to be settled on a position, and for me that is somewhere near the top. Top 3 perhaps.

User avatar
jaybro
Posts: 10390
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:36 am
Supports: MidWest Rhinos

Re: Tour of Bangladesh moved up to October 2018

Post by jaybro »

After the qualifiers I thought it was time to say good bye to possibly Hami, Ervine & Williams, but after seeing what the bench strength is like I’m in no rush to get rid of them.

Post Reply