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jaybro wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:45 am
After the qualifiers I thought it was time to say good bye to possibly Hami, Ervine & Williams, but after seeing what the bench strength is like I’m in no rush to get rid of them.
My thoughts exactly.

Mamba does make a point I generally agree with. If 7 batsmen don't get the job done, 8 is unlikely to as well. Nothing guaranteed of course.

However, Raza-Williams, are both genuine all-rounders IMO. They have both improved their bowling leaps and bounds. Just consider that Raza wasn't even asked to bowl during the last series in BD in 2014. Maybe he bowled an over or two here and there. With those two, 8-3 could be looked at as a 6-5.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:05 pm
jaybro wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:45 am
After the qualifiers I thought it was time to say good bye to possibly Hami, Ervine & Williams, but after seeing what the bench strength is like I’m in no rush to get rid of them.
My thoughts exactly.

Mamba does make a point I generally agree with. If 7 batsmen don't get the job done, 8 is unlikely to as well. Nothing guaranteed of course.

However, Raza-Williams, are both genuine all-rounders IMO. They have both improved their bowling leaps and bounds. Just consider that Raza wasn't even asked to bowl during the last series in BD in 2014. Maybe he bowled an over or two here and there. With those two, 8-3 could be looked at as a 6-5.
I honestly don't see what we stand to lose from dropping Hammy. Ervine and Williams we have seen the effects of not having them, but Hammy showed his hand in the last two series. Needed him to stand up and he couldn't even do that, so I really don't see how keeping him around is helping us.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:17 am


I honestly don't see what we stand to lose from dropping Hammy. Ervine and Williams we have seen the effects of not having them, but Hammy showed his hand in the last two series. Needed him to stand up and he couldn't even do that, so I really don't see how keeping him around is helping us.
Never been a Hami fan. Don't rate him at all.

That being said, he is probably the most technically sound ZIM batter in a long while. He just throws his wicket away 99% of the time do to a terrible shot or some insane run out. Hami shouldn't be in the side because he is a good batsman (he's mediocre on a good day) or because he will win you matches (he won't). He's in the side because he has vast experience, can offer pearls of wisdom to the younger guys (hopefully), and because he's a good 5th or 6th batter on this team after the likes of Taylor, Raza, Ervine, etc.

Williams is a white, fit version of Hamilton. Both players will almost certain let the side down, even when they play well (Williams 80 vs UAE in the Qualifiers). But Williams is a terrific spin bowler, and his fielding and experience are once again invaluable.

I'd rather have a 25 average batter like those two, than some young fella who probably is barely club standard and who would struggle to average 15 with the bat.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:05 pm

Mamba does make a point I generally agree with. If 7 batsmen don't get the job done, 8 is unlikely to as well. Nothing guaranteed of course.
Didn't the two examples I put forward prove the point??

You could say 'If the first 6 guys don't make a score what's the point of the 7th'

As for dropping Hamilton I'll ask the question which most people who call for Zimbo players to be dropped often like to ignore or not answer, who do we replace Hamilton with????

We have zero options to open a test innings, the only guys are either middle order players or guys who aren't up to scratch.

It's like TapsC raving on about Streak picking Burl & Waller over and over again, still can't come up with another guy who should have been there, this latest player strike and resulting series has shown we don't have the batsman to replace these guys and unless we fix up the school, club and domestic systems plus bring in some decent specialist coaches, we're in for some bad times.

Googly will argue it's too late for the young guys around now as you need to be a star as a school kid,, but I disagree. With some good coaches and some quality cricket guys like K-Long, Burl, Murray, Shumba, Roche etc can still turn as good as if not better than the current crop of guys we have.
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If we were discussing a major test playing nation I might side with you guys, but discussing Zim I cant. Hami has had his time and is all his years has not so much as cemented his place, but had it handed to him because there was no one else, and he was always on ZCs side. He has not made the most of his career and all that early promise has gone out the window. Zim have nothing to lose by dropping him, just like they have nothing to gain by keeping him. We are not talking about dropping a Hashim Amla here.

He can still be around the side for his experience. Select him in the 15 as a backup, I just don't think he should be a guaranteed starter and I would much rather a youngster come in.

If we are talking about replacements, then its really easy. Openers for the ODIs and T20 are Mire and Kamunhukamwe (unless Zhuwao can actually sort himself out and not just be a head down swing the bat kind of guy, in which case you have three options)

Test. Move Moor to open and let one of the youngsters come in. I don't know too much about the local scene in terms of terms, but I like what I see from Kamunhukamwe and Musakanda in the ODI series.

Obviously replacements are also much easier if the ZC board actually gets sorted out and some of the lads who left come back.

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Watching the Pakistan games made me realize that the only place PJ can play is uptop. There was a couple of games I watched where one of the openers for Pakistan really struggled to get going but eventually he caught up. I think Imam was his name. He reminded me of PJ. There is no other position that he can play. Opening is the only position he can possibly have the time he needs to get settled in ODIs. As much as he hasnt done anything in ODIs I still believe he has what it takes and has other strong qualities like leadership that can be used to our advantage. I think he needs to be a bit selfish and focus on himself and what he needs to get going instead of offering himself to bat anywhere for the team.

As for Hami. I believe he shouldnt be in the ODI team anymore as we have to try build a new team in that format. Test cricket though is a completely different situation. You will notice the same rising stars who won the one day cup were absolutely hammered in a lot of the logan cup games they played. Those kids are just not mentally ready for test cricket. Those Pakistan ODIs had the kind of pressure one would be under in a test match. Only Ryan Burl and Blessing are ready to play test cricket from that team.

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Zimbabwe should definately pick T Tsiga, Masvaure for Bangladesh test. Moor & Musakanda has no question mark in their talents but has huge problem in throwing their wickets away and so far they are not learning from their past mistakes as a result its affecting the team and the middle order. Moor & Musakanda could have easily scored few 50+ scores in the recent games against Pakistan but failed....time to issue an alarming bell against these players.

Ryan Burl needs to bat up in test cricket, he always gets chance to bat in tough situation

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Burl should be opening up top in ODI cricket

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sloandog wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:23 pm
Burl should be opening up top in ODI cricket
Could you imagine an opening duo of Burl and Moor? Drop the anchor!
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Black Mamba wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:18 pm
Zimbabwe should definately pick T Tsiga
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