[Article] Ex-Chevrons star Sean Ervine’s greatness denied (Zimbabwe Independent)

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[Article] Ex-Chevrons star Sean Ervine’s greatness denied (Zimbabwe Independent)

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https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2018/0 ... ss-denied/

With quotes from Taibu, Campbell & Mangongo.
Ex-Chevrons star Ervine’s greatness denied
Posted on September 7, 2018 by The Independent in Sport

Zimbabwe’s cricket team is also known as the Chevrons.

SEAN Ervine’s retirement last week from professional cricket was greeted with a fair amount of tributes among some of world cricket’s best-known personalities.

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In his homeland, Zimbabwe, the announcement also prompted reactions of praises from fans and former teammates alike.
But then, there was something about those local reactions, depicting a kind of sadness over a fabulous international career that never was. The abrupt end, 14 years ago, of Ervine’s Zimbabwe career due to the unfortunate “rebel” saga of 2004, which cost the country an entire generation of cricketers in their prime, had perhaps the most negative impact on the future of a team that desperately needed a methodical blooding of young talent moving forward.

At 21, Ervine was the youngest of the “rebel” players, an epitome of the future of the Zimbabwe team.

Some 11 390 first-class runs and 280 wickets, 5 716 runs and 206 wickets in List A cricket — apart from 3000-plus T20 runs and 68 wickets — is, of course, a phenomenal County cricket record.

Ervine is hanging up his bat at the age of 35 after 14 fruitful seasons with Hampshire and an uncompleted loan spell at Derbyshire. But had circumstances been different and Ervine played international cricket for Zimbabwe throughout his career, his reputation and standing in world cricket might have been very different.

“Given the start he had, one can only assume greatness, especially the century he scored against India in the VB Series,” says former teammate Tatenda Taibu.

“In this day where it is difficult to get seam-bowling all-rounders, Ervine would have definitely marked his name forward in international cricket.”

The century Taibu refers to was against India in Australia in the VB Series early 2004, in which Ervine and fellow centurion Stuart Carlisle took Zimbabwe to the cusp of victory. Zimbabwe narrowly lost by three runs. That glorious innings, facing up to India’s two-pronged pace threat of Ajit Agarkar and Irfan Pathan, would be Ervine’s first and last for Zimbabwe in an international career covering just three years — 42 ODIs and five Tests.

Former Zimbabwe captain and chief selector Alistair Campbell shares Taibu’s view on what Ervine stood to achieve as an all-rounder in international cricket had it not been for the player disturbances of 2004.

But Campbell opines that County cricket robbed Ervine of his genuine all-round capabilities.

“I think the grind of County cricket made him bowl within himself and, if he had played just international cricket, he would have been able to showcase his great ability with bat and ball,” says Campbell.

“He had a great set of hands as well which made him a very reliable fielder. If he had fulfilled his international career and stayed fit and hungry, I have no doubt he would have become Zimbabwe’s answer to the great Jacques Kallis.”

Anyone with the traits of Kallis is, quite obviously, a great deal of talent. Campbell puts Ervine in the same bracket as some of the finest all-rounders ever produced by Zimbabwe. “You would have to compare him to the all-rounders that Zimbabwe have had, (Duncan) Fletcher and (Kevin) Curran prior to Test status, then (Neil) Johnson. Also (Heath) Streak in the second half of his career,” remarks Campbell.

“There is (Elton) Chigumbura in recent times. But Johnson was the best for me. When he left, it would have been the perfect time for Sean to step in and take up the mantle as the all-rounder.”

The hint of greatness, as well as comparison to the South African great Jacques Kallis, is frequently and commonly referred to in description of Ervine’s talents.

Coaching stalwart Steve Mangongo, who knows Ervine since his age-group years in Zimbabwe, talks of the “rare quality” of the Harare-born all-rounder.

Ervine was Zimbabwe’s vice-captain at the 2002 Under-19 World Cup in Newland where the African side won the plate competition, and skipper Tatenda Taibu was the tournament’s best player.

“It’s a rare quality to have a classy cricketer with both bat and ball, so was Ervine,” says Mangongo, who jointly coached Zimbabwe at that Under-19 World Cup with former England wicketkeeper Steve Rhodes, now Bangladesh’s senior team coach.

“His potential was never fulfilled on the international arena. What a pity for Zimbabwe. He spent a decade churning out big runs on the County circuit, just to prove his calibre. For him to spend 10 years in international cricket is indicative of a serious cricketer. He had all the attributes of greatness from the few games he played at international level. He was a genuine impact player, genuine all-rounder. Maybe he would have been a Zimbabwe Jacques Kallis in the fullness of time.”

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Not true. Wouldn’t have been a’great’.
For the simple fact that we would have seen him turn out for England at least once since 2009 if he was a ‘great’.

Is Dawid Malan a great of the game?
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:41 am
Not true. Wouldn’t have been a’great’.
For the simple fact that we would have seen him turn out for England at least once since 2009 if he was a ‘great’.

Is Dawid Malan a great of the game?


It was difficult for him to make into the England Squad with Flintoff at its peak at that time well supported by Craig White, Lt. Ben Hollioke, Rony Irani.

England also played Anthony Mcgrath few games as an allrounder

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Sean Ervine would have been a Zimbabwean great I reckon. But the fact is that he hasn't played for us in 14 years so we don't really have much to talk about when it comes to him.
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Black Mamba wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:52 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:41 am
Not true. Wouldn’t have been a’great’.
For the simple fact that we would have seen him turn out for England at least once since 2009 if he was a ‘great’.

Is Dawid Malan a great of the game?


It was difficult for him to make into the England Squad with Flintoff at its peak at that time well supported by Craig White, Lt. Ben Hollioke, Rony Irani.

England also played Anthony Mcgrath few games as an allrounder
I’m not denying he had to overcome a hurdle. To call Sean Ervin’s a great despite never getting a go in England or England A and being second to Anthony McGrath and Robbie Irani means he was no great of the game.
He was a stock standard cookie cutter middle of the road domestic player. Had his moments but never truly dominated the county scene. Decent player but no great.
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Did he ever throw his lot in with England?

I don’t recall him doing so, I remember he flirted with the idea of playing for Ireland when his brother was doing the same thing and he also nearly came back to Zimbabwe a couple of times.

I still reckon if we qualified for the WC he would have came back for one last year
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He definitely "settled into" a safe county career. Had he been driven by further challenges of the international arena, he could have also returned mid-way, like Ray Price did and shot up the bowling rankings. Ervine chose the comfort and the mediocrity of the county cricket, but that doesn't deny the fact that he had the ability to make it big at the top flight cricket had he chosen to. We had already seen his capabilities in his brief Zimbabwe career. The highlight for me, apart from that 100 against India in Aus, was his 62 run partnership with Streak in the last 3 overs against the mighty Australians in the 2003 world cup. He scored 31* off 14 with ease.

So yeah, while comparisons with Kallis could be a bit rich, he could have been a very very good middle order batsman for us across formats for over a decade and a half - possibly averaging in high thirties at the very least...

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Is it at all controversial to say that with averages of 32/25 with the bat and 43/38 with the ball (in Tests/ODIs) he's arguably there and about "modern great" territory for Zimbabwe anyway?

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brmtaylor.com admin wrote:
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Is it at all controversial to say that with averages of 32/25 with the bat and 43/38 with the ball (in Tests/ODIs) he's arguably there and about "modern great" territory for Zimbabwe anyway?
Ervine was our number 6 batsman at the time.

If Ervine had stayed, he would be on Raza level.

This is ultimately a compliment, but i hesitate tho use the word great in any context.
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There could be some negetive opinion to question his talent for sure as he become rebel player and left Zimbabwe when Mugabe Nuclear Bomb hit ZC.

But its not an easy to score in English condition even in domestic cricket, county cricket is considered high standard by any greats in developing the technic as a player and become more perfect. He scored runs on the likes of all English greats as well as Akram, Pollock, Muruli, Donald, Bond, Warne as they use to play lot of county cricket.

Ervine had the class, and scored runs in every part of the world in his small international career, if he had continued to play international cricket, would have finished with atleast 15 hundreds and close to 200 wickets, as he doesn't consider his bowling seriously in later part of his career, definately close to Watson or Scott Styris.

What an era that was, Zimbabwe was gifted with some top class allround skills of Jhonson, Whitall, Blignaut, Friend & Ervine, with Streak, Strang & Nkala smashing at the lower order.

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