[Match Thread] Bangladesh v Zimbabwe : 1st Test, Sylhet

[jaybro]

Just to be clear I didn’t call him a part timer, he’s definitely not that I just said his action is very simple which looks like a part timer.

He’s obviously very accurate and when conditions suit him he’s run through the English a couple of times.

I did say I think he is overrated and without looking at his numbers I’d guess when not playing at the Shere Bangla his numbers wouldn’t be so great.

Looks like he can bat a bit as you said

[Kriterion_BD]

I did say I think he is overrated and without looking at his numbers I’d guess when not playing at the Shere Bangla his numbers wouldn’t be so great.

Looks like he can bat a bit as you said

If you ever noticed, part time spinners usually actually turn the ball more than specialists. Mominul got the most turn in the first innings of this particular match. Idk if Raza qualifies as a part timer anymore - he's more a genuine all-rounder now. But he got the most turn amongst the ZIM spinners. I think its because part time spinners usually bowl slower and loopier deliveries and hence generate more turn. I've noticed this about other countries too when a part time spinner comes on to bowl.

Miraz hasn't lived up to his batting potential. He has the potential to average 30-35 or so with the bat, and right now should be averaging closer to 25. Right now he's just averaging 15 which is nothing.

But Taijul I think has only bowled 1 match outside Asia-West Indies. Miraz has played 3 in NZ and SA, so for him to have the same average as Taijul after an 11 wicket haul, indicates that Miraz is a much better bowler. But I'm not trying to knock Taijul at all.

[jaybro]

Not every part timer spins the ball a lot I could name plenty who don’t even spin it at all

Again I’m only talking about his action which is a very simple action when compared to most off spinners

[Jemisi]

Raza is perfect in Asia. In places where Zim never gets to play he may be more in the part time category, but in Asia he looks very much an all rounder.

[Kriterion_BD]

Not every part timer spins the ball a lot I could name plenty who don’t even spin it at all

Again I’m only talking about his action which is a very simple action when compared to most off spinners

I'm just saying there are lots of part timers who turn the ball more than specialists. The amount of revs put on the ball has nothing to do with skill. A specialist spinner is a specialist not because he puts more revs on the ball, but because he has other qualities that part timers don't have like accuracy, control, variations in pace, instincts of knowing when to bowl what, etc. Mominul Haque turns the ball more than Shakib, but Shakib is a far better SLA.

But I agree, Miraz has a very simple action. Good thing as it shouldn't put much stress on his joints. Taijul has a very pleasing action as well, but he's putting some strain on his legs due to his high vertical leap.

[jaybro]

I'm just saying there are lots of part timers who turn the ball more than specialists.

Well that's not exactly what you said but it's time to move on

Miraz bowling at Shere Bangla 3 matches 19 wickets @20.63

Miraz bowling at home (Dhaka, Chittagong & Slyhet) 7 matches 35 wickets @ 25.42

Miraz Bowling away from home 8 matches 26 wickets @50.07

Miraz Bowling outside of Asia 5 matches 14 wickets @53.85

Obviously a force at home but struggles away especially outside of Asia, of course he is not alone as Ashwin & Yasir Shah have had their issues outside of the subcontinent as well.

This is why I rate Nathan Lyon as the best spinner in Test cricket, he performs in all conditions and the majority of his bowling is done on seamer friendly decks.

Even when Lyon has the luxury of bowling on spinner friendly decks he's bowling against good players of spin i.e. the sub continent sides. He doesn't the advantage of bowling to sides like Australia, England and South Africa who struggle against spin.

[Kriterion_BD]

Yeah Lyon is the best spinner in Test cricket in the last decade. Better than Herath, Ashwin, Yasir, Shakib.

Same reason I rate Maharaj of the current crop. Asian spinners get favorable conditions and opponents.

[sloandog]

I've rated Hassan from the moment I watched him in 2016 during that under 19 CWC. He's a golden nugget and needs looking after. I'm not seeing much in the way of genuine young batters, though..

[Kriterion_BD]

I've rated Hassan from the moment I watched him in 2016 during that under 19 CWC. He's a golden nugget and needs looking after. I'm not seeing much in the way of genuine young batters, though..

The batting has atrophied due to our reliance on the Big 4 of Tamim-Shakib-Mushy-Riyad (Mominul replaces Riyad in Tests). But the big 4 has been very dominant and because games are only 50 overs, young batsmen often dont get much time in the middle. And when they do, they are under prepared and fail.

But we do need some young batters to step up. Mosaddek was dropped due to failures in ODIs, and now has lost his domestic form as well. Shanto is the next hope, and we have Shadman too who could be a decent opener. But the BCB selectors seem keen on picking 25+ age players like we see with Ariful, Jayed, and Khaled.