[Match Thread] Bangladesh vs Zimbabwe, 2nd Test, Dhaka

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Re: [Match Thread] Bangladesh vs Zimbabwe, 2nd Test, Dhaka

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The Robot wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:30 am
Won't blame Raza & Williams, they have been doing the job for Zimbabwe in all three formats in last one year.

Big question on contribution of new commers. Tiripano, Chakabva & Mavuta, total flops, they are in the side with big reputation of batting through domestic cricket. None could contribute even 30 & 40 which would have been great for Zimbabwe and they could have crossed 322 mark.

It doesn't take much to work out why Zim are on the ropes yet again, 83-6-328-0 from 2 part time spinners and 1 still in nappies, that's all that needs to be said

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Ya Mavuta in particular has been very disappointing this series. Plus it’s about bowling in tandem with someone else to build pressure, but we were leaking runs from both sides. Had Cremer been there and bowled tight they would have just scored from the other end. They would have had to bowl Cremer in tandem with a seamer.
Hopefully our spinners get a second bite of this and turn it around. As I said having his stock ball with a lot of overspin makes it very very difficult to be consistent.
As AC pointed out he wasn’t getting his wrist over enough to get the googly going and that’s not good enough for an international bowler. He won’t hold down his spot when Cremer is back unless the selectors are happy to give up a spot or two, which they don’t seem to have a problem with.

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The other reason why I think they will make us bat is the mental aspect of it. That’s a lot of scoreboard pressure knowing they’re 200 ahead and looking at rolling you for an innings defeat. It’s intriguing. I wonder if you can bet on this?

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Googly wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:50 pm
Ya Mavuta in particular has been very disappointing this series. Plus it’s about bowling in tandem with someone else to build pressure, but we were leaking runs from both sides. Had Cremer been there and bowled tight they would have just scored from the other end. They would have had to bowl Cremer in tandem with a seamer.
Hopefully our spinners get a second bite of this and turn it around. As I said having his stock ball with a lot of overspin makes it very very difficult to be consistent.
As AC pointed out he wasn’t getting his wrist over enough to get the googly going and that’s not good enough for an international bowler. He won’t hold down his spot when Cremer is back unless the selectors are happy to give up a spot or two, which they don’t seem to have a problem with.
Keeping it tight on good pitches isn't Cremer's forte; and yes, I hope Mavuta gets another go and picks up some wickets, no matter how they come.

Remember how the Test tour to BD broke the back of Mushangwe (mentally)? He needed two domestic seasons to come half-way back into his own again for the Mountaineers. It's happened to many a young wristspinner. Let's hope Mavuta learns from this and isn't badly burned; he's got a lot of potential.

And let's not forget he cleaned up the tail in the first Test.

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Googly wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:50 pm
Ya Mavuta in particular has been very disappointing this series. Plus it’s about bowling in tandem with someone else to build pressure, but we were leaking runs from both sides. Had Cremer been there and bowled tight they would have just scored from the other end. They would have had to bowl Cremer in tandem with a seamer.
Hopefully our spinners get a second bite of this and turn it around. As I said having his stock ball with a lot of overspin makes it very very difficult to be consistent.
As AC pointed out he wasn’t getting his wrist over enough to get the googly going and that’s not good enough for an international bowler. He won’t hold down his spot when Cremer is back unless the selectors are happy to give up a spot or two, which they don’t seem to have a problem with.
Cremer wouldn't have kept it tight in Dhaka. He would have in Sylhet. Cremer would prolly have had match figures of 8-120 in Sylhet and 1-200 or 2-250 in Dhaka. Thats 9-320 for the series, which is not bad. But the wickets Cremer would have gotten in Sylhet would have taken wickets away from Raza and Mavuta (if Mavuta even played).
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Googly wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:55 pm
The other reason why I think they will make us bat is the mental aspect of it. That’s a lot of scoreboard pressure knowing they’re 200 ahead and looking at rolling you for an innings defeat. It’s intriguing. I wonder if you can bet on this?
Additional reason for NOT enforcing the f/o...Tamim doubtful for WI series, so BD will want as much batting practice as they can especially after 8 consecutive sub-200 run scores debacle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

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The problem with batting to preserve your wicket is you forget to play your shots and become susceptible to lapses and errors.

Moor and BT said the pitch was actually better to bat on than they thought. This tells me that the guys went in there thinking it was a bad batting pitch and to just block their way through, when in essence, playing your shots got you rewards. The guys who played shots got runs.

No reason why we can't survive this test. Will take a mammoth effort, but if we change our mentality a bit, it will definitely be doable.

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If you play shots like the one Taylor got out to you’re just opening up more chances for losing your wicket. Which is usually unnecessary in a test match but especially when you’re trying to save a game and there’s no possibility of a win. 110 off 400 would have been a lot more valuable than 110 off 194 but obviously not as entertaining.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:06 pm
The problem with batting to preserve your wicket is you forget to play your shots and become susceptible to lapses and errors.

Moor and BT said the pitch was actually better to bat on than they thought. This tells me that the guys went in there thinking it was a bad batting pitch and to just block their way through, when in essence, playing your shots got you rewards. The guys who played shots got runs.

No reason why we can't survive this test. Will take a mammoth effort, but if we change our mentality a bit, it will definitely be doable.
Playing your shots also forces the opposition to go on the defensive and remove those pesky bat-pad fielders and slips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

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