UAE & Afghanistan tour of Zimbabwe 2019 : Pre Series Discussion

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TapsC wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:33 am

If they are not wanted by the board then how do you get PJs brother out of all people getting a domestic game? How did Roche get a national team game? You had a high school kid making the tuskers squad. How do you get Murray's talent being appreciated that he comes into the squad whenever he isnt at school? How is half the Chevrons team at full stregnth made up of white players and Raza.

1 big conspiracy theory if you ask me. If these cricketers exist please name this so called team that have not left and are currently sitting in Zimbabwe because Mukuhlani said they shouldnt play.

You cant blame the board for the country falling apart and people of European and Asian heritage trying out other countries. Nothing to do with "black entitlement" especially considering that 2 ministers in the current government that you are criticizing are actually white and we saw a rally last year where white people were supporting the current president and being served tea and biscuits
Mate, I try to be so kind to you, but you make it hard. Just because PJs brother is getting a chance or Roche was thrown in to the deep end, does not mean non black players are being given preference. How many non-blacks are in the domestic set up. In a proper system, Murray would not have to only play when not at school. PJs brother would not have been given his shot at 26. Roche would not have been sent in to oblivion after being thrown to the wolves

If it was a proper system, a 36 year old Hamilton would not be captain. Elton would not have been selected on the last tour. Waller would not be consistently selected despite failing. We would have some youngsters being blooded and an actually grassroots structure. These cricketers cannot be named because they all stop after high school. Their is no future for them in ZC so they do not bother. They go study at univerisity, get a degree and then work in meaningless job because it is better than putting up with ZC. How many players need to be named before you realise it is not just a conspiracy. We have lost players in the past and continue to lose players. Without going to those from the past, what about those playing now. The Currans, De Grandhomme, Cartwright, Snater...

We can blame the board for the country because are they part of the same organisation. They are all part of ZANU and they have contributed to the destruction of the country, and the destruction of cricket. Coventry is a token minister who has nothing of significance yet. Just because ED appointed 2 white ministers, does not mean that non-blacks are not treated as second class citizens.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:49 am
TapsC wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:33 am

If they are not wanted by the board then how do you get PJs brother out of all people getting a domestic game? How did Roche get a national team game? You had a high school kid making the tuskers squad. How do you get Murray's talent being appreciated that he comes into the squad whenever he isnt at school? How is half the Chevrons team at full stregnth made up of white players and Raza.

1 big conspiracy theory if you ask me. If these cricketers exist please name this so called team that have not left and are currently sitting in Zimbabwe because Mukuhlani said they shouldnt play.

You cant blame the board for the country falling apart and people of European and Asian heritage trying out other countries. Nothing to do with "black entitlement" especially considering that 2 ministers in the current government that you are criticizing are actually white and we saw a rally last year where white people were supporting the current president and being served tea and biscuits
Mate, I try to be so kind to you, but you make it hard. Just because PJs brother is getting a chance or Roche was thrown in to the deep end, does not mean non black players are being given preference. How many non-blacks are in the domestic set up. In a proper system, Murray would not have to only play when not at school. PJs brother would not have been given his shot at 26. Roche would not have been sent in to oblivion after being thrown to the wolves

If it was a proper system, a 36 year old Hamilton would not be captain. Elton would not have been selected on the last tour. Waller would not be consistently selected despite failing. We would have some youngsters being blooded and an actually grassroots structure. These cricketers cannot be named because they all stop after high school. Their is no future for them in ZC so they do not bother. They go study at univerisity, get a degree and then work in meaningless job because it is better than putting up with ZC. How many players need to be named before you realise it is not just a conspiracy. We have lost players in the past and continue to lose players. Without going to those from the past, what about those playing now. The Currans, De Grandhomme, Cartwright, Snater...

We can blame the board for the country because are they part of the same organisation. They are all part of ZANU and they have contributed to the destruction of the country, and the destruction of cricket. Coventry is a token minister who has nothing of significance yet. Just because ED appointed 2 white ministers, does not mean that non-blacks are not treated as second class citizens.
You cant blame national problems on the board. That's ridiculous. Almost all those players who you named left because of Zimbabwe having problems not because of Zimbabwe Cricket. How can you combine the 2? How many of those guys can you name left after being chased away by ZC? How many of these guys who left had to go through what Burl went through this season or Jongwe a few seasons ago? We have to separate issues. Thats just not fair.

Whats happening is that unlike the 90s you cant sustain yourself without a national contract in Zimbabwe. This is why not just white players but black players too like Matigimu who have the option of leaving, pack their bags. This is why PJ got a chance later on after some years away and Murray is doing what he is doing and Lake is in the UK. They had options. This is not because of ZC but the Zimbabwean economy. This is why Blessing packed his bags. He had been suffering. You will actually find all those players in the domestic system are there simply because of the love of the game and a lack of options. There are no racial favours. All of them are suffering. There is no money in it at that level.

Non-black players are not playing because they have better options not because they were chased away. We dont have a situation like South Africa where players are killing the domestic scene and they dont get picked because of colour. That is a lie.

I could even say that Zimbabwe might be the easiest full member team to crack if we are being honest. Even if you are white or Asian.

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Yes Taps C you are correct... the 3 minor rich whites run the country :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes you are right the talented young white kids leave because of the state of the country, not because they have as much chance of making it in ZC as you have in the KKK.
Claiming one swallow makes a summer is disgraceful and the defending of a racist organisation is shameful.
Honestly, there are 11 people on this forum that could beat the chevrons :W:

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TapsC wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:33 am
jimmylesaint wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:42 am
There are not enough "non-black" cricketers left in the country for you to "give it back" to them. You cant even put together a white playing 11 in the system right now. Also as much as I dont like the board the truth is we cant blame them for not making the world cup. We all saw that game. We all saw what happened.
Such black entitlement :lol: There's 11 white and asian guys here in Harare that half pissed could beat the Chevrons .
There's 11 white and asian guys 16-24 around the country and world that could beat the Chevrons...they aren't in the system because they are not wanted by the Board because of their colour.

Read the Timveous piece it details a downward spiral from 2004 culminating in the UAE game....it's not the players fault at that particular time it's the players that should have been their and their experience that should have been there.
That downward spiral continues and will end in complete humiliation for our country because of a greedy few......but that's what Zanu has done anyway hence no one in government gives a shit of a stupid game that dominates like the British Empire did.
If they are not wanted by the board then how do you get PJs brother out of all people getting a domestic game? How did Roche get a national team game? You had a high school kid making the tuskers squad. How do you get Murray's talent being appreciated that he comes into the squad whenever he isnt at school? How is half the Chevrons team at full stregnth made up of white players and Raza.

1 big conspiracy theory if you ask me. If these cricketers exist please name this so called team that have not left and are currently sitting in Zimbabwe because Mukuhlani said they shouldnt play.

You cant blame the board for the country falling apart and people of European and Asian heritage trying out other countries. Nothing to do with "black entitlement" especially considering that 2 ministers in the current government that you are criticizing are actually white and we saw a rally last year where white people were supporting the current president and being served tea and biscuits
I really agree with every point you make here Zim is a tough place to be everyone is looking for an escape
not sportsman even students are jumping to Cyprus if the opportunity arose

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jimmylesaint wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:04 am
Yes Taps C you are correct... the 3 minor rich whites run the country :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes you are right the talented young white kids leave because of the state of the country, not because they have as much chance of making it in ZC as you have in the KKK.
Claiming one swallow makes a summer is disgraceful and the defending of a racist organisation is shameful.
Honestly, there are 11 people on this forum that could beat the chevrons :W:
so there are 11,people who stand a
chance against Bangladesh in a Test
great to know 😂😂😂

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TapsC wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:10 am


You cant blame national problems on the board. That's ridiculous. Almost all those players who you named left because of Zimbabwe having problems not because of Zimbabwe Cricket. How can you combine the 2? How many of those guys can you name left after being chased away by ZC? How many of these guys who left had to go through what Burl went through this season or Jongwe a few seasons ago? We have to separate issues. Thats just not fair.

Whats happening is that unlike the 90s you cant sustain yourself without a national contract in Zimbabwe. This is why not just white players but black players too like Matigimu who have the option of leaving, pack their bags. This is why PJ got a chance later on after some years away and Murray is doing what he is doing and Lake is in the UK. They had options. This is not because of ZC but the Zimbabwean economy. This is why Blessing packed his bags. He had been suffering. You will actually find all those players in the domestic system are there simply because of the love of the game and a lack of options. There are no racial favours. All of them are suffering. There is no money in it at that level.

Non-black players are not playing because they have better options not because they were chased away. We dont have a situation like South Africa where players are killing the domestic scene and they dont get picked because of colour. That is a lie.

I could even say that Zimbabwe might be the easiest full member team to crack if we are being honest. Even if you are white or Asian.
You can. You can combine the 2 because the people responsible for ZC are responsible for the economy. Also, you know for a fact that certain ZC members are members of ZANU PF and members of parliament. Obviously the rebels of 04 left because of ZC, and that was the start of it all, so don't say that ZC are at fault for nothing.

You can't sustain yourself without a contract because the board stole the money and took it for themselves. You need money to have central contracts. You also wont keep players if they have no series to play or they are constantly having to play against lower opposition, not having the right support from their board, not having a proper domestic structure, not having a proper administration...the list goes on. You can't say there is not money and not blame that on the ZC board. They drive around in flash brand new cars and have expensive houses and the lot, yet can't even afford to pay for a local competition.

They were chased away by the situation created by ZC. When they attacked the white players in 2003 they set in place a structure that entrenched racism within the game. It happened last year for gods sake, and even a few years before. Prosper used racism when he was dropped from the side. Tavengwa used racism against Streak. Racism was used to justify Cephas. What bloody team are you watching!

Clearly the non-black players saw this and rather than getting involved in it, decided early to not bother. Why try to push when you know that the racism card will get used against you at the earliest opportunity. They were chased away by the state of the board and the game. We do have players who get picked because of colour. We do have players killing the domestic scene because we have aged elephants playing in the domestic scene. We also a domestic scene that was killed by the board.

I hate this mentality where Zimbabweans constantly seek to justify and make excuses for the problems that exist but don't bother fixing them. Instead they just steal more money.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:59 pm
TapsC wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:10 am


You cant blame national problems on the board. That's ridiculous. Almost all those players who you named left because of Zimbabwe having problems not because of Zimbabwe Cricket. How can you combine the 2? How many of those guys can you name left after being chased away by ZC? How many of these guys who left had to go through what Burl went through this season or Jongwe a few seasons ago? We have to separate issues. Thats just not fair.

Whats happening is that unlike the 90s you cant sustain yourself without a national contract in Zimbabwe. This is why not just white players but black players too like Matigimu who have the option of leaving, pack their bags. This is why PJ got a chance later on after some years away and Murray is doing what he is doing and Lake is in the UK. They had options. This is not because of ZC but the Zimbabwean economy. This is why Blessing packed his bags. He had been suffering. You will actually find all those players in the domestic system are there simply because of the love of the game and a lack of options. There are no racial favours. All of them are suffering. There is no money in it at that level.

Non-black players are not playing because they have better options not because they were chased away. We dont have a situation like South Africa where players are killing the domestic scene and they dont get picked because of colour. That is a lie.

I could even say that Zimbabwe might be the easiest full member team to crack if we are being honest. Even if you are white or Asian.
You can. You can combine the 2 because the people responsible for ZC are responsible for the economy. Also, you know for a fact that certain ZC members are members of ZANU PF and members of parliament. Obviously the rebels of 04 left because of ZC, and that was the start of it all, so don't say that ZC are at fault for nothing.

You can't sustain yourself without a contract because the board stole the money and took it for themselves. You need money to have central contracts. You also wont keep players if they have no series to play or they are constantly having to play against lower opposition, not having the right support from their board, not having a proper domestic structure, not having a proper administration...the list goes on. You can't say there is not money and not blame that on the ZC board. They drive around in flash brand new cars and have expensive houses and the lot, yet can't even afford to pay for a local competition.

They were chased away by the situation created by ZC. When they attacked the white players in 2003 they set in place a structure that entrenched racism within the game. It happened last year for gods sake, and even a few years before. Prosper used racism when he was dropped from the side. Tavengwa used racism against Streak. Racism was used to justify Cephas. What bloody team are you watching!

Clearly the non-black players saw this and rather than getting involved in it, decided early to not bother. Why try to push when you know that the racism card will get used against you at the earliest opportunity. They were chased away by the state of the board and the game. We do have players who get picked because of colour. We do have players killing the domestic scene because we have aged elephants playing in the domestic scene. We also a domestic scene that was killed by the board.

I hate this mentality where Zimbabweans constantly seek to justify and make excuses for the problems that exist but don't bother fixing them. Instead they just steal more money.
why are you blaming the local players though
I understand you may have problems with the board and and gvt but these are breafwinners for christ sake they are out there trying to survive

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Funny how quickly the ‘us v them’ arguement comes up, few things to consider regarding the Anthony Moor selection

- He’d just completes the ACCPH academy where from the scorecards I saw he did pretty god against the franchise sides

- The Rhinos don’t have much batting depth, who was he keeping out? Kaito? Nyathi?

- He played three games, failed and got dropped, hardly a reason to throw out the race bias argument

There’s definitely cases of both white and black guys being treated unfairly, I don’t think it’s fair to argue either side is getting a better run. Of all the issues in Zimbabwe cricket at the moment I feel selection has been fairly good of late
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jaybro wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:32 pm
Funny how quickly the ‘us v them’ arguement comes up, few things to consider regarding the Anthony Moor selection

- He’d just completes the ACCPH academy where from the scorecards I saw he did pretty god against the franchise sides

- The Rhinos don’t have much batting depth, who was he keeping out? Kaito? Nyathi?

- He played three games, failed and got dropped, hardly a reason to throw out the race bias argument

There’s definitely cases of both white and black guys being treated unfairly, I don’t think it’s fair to argue either side is getting a better run. Of all the issues in Zimbabwe cricket at the moment I feel selection has been fairly good of late
Finally someone I agree with given the players on the ground the selection is good
And thank you for shedding light on Moor batting performances

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Lee wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:45 pm

Finally someone I agree with given the players on the ground the selection is good
And thank you for shedding light on Moor batting performances
Just want to clarify I’m not saying he definitely deserved to be there because I’m looking from a far, but I just don’t think it’s worth the whole us v them argument from either side
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