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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by jimmylesaint » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:16 am

Job very well done.
This hurts ZC the most. Their only source of income was the ICC handout they lacked the resource or brains or integrity to create a brand full of sponsorship so guess the ZC and crooked workers now have to go find a real job :lol: :lol:
The players don't give a fuck they have either made money or not and will just move on probably earning more money selling chewing gum on the street corner.

ZC shouldn't have gone running to ICC begging them for action against interferences.......they should have listened to the SRC and done as they were told.

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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by encore » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:56 am

jimmylesaint wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:16 am
:lol: :lol: ... or not and will just move on probably earning more money selling chewing gum on the street corner.
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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by sam_ahm » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:23 pm

BCB have confirmed that Zimbabwe will take part in the tri series in September as planned.

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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by Googly » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:49 pm

Unless ED flies them there is his Dubai jet that isn’t his jet and charges the taxpayer 10 million they’re not going anywhere.

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Post by sam_ahm » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:05 am

Pretty much confirmed Google, but who is sending the team, new board or old board? Which board has contacted BCB and made this commitment?

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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by TapsC » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:58 am

A deal is almost finalized so I guess it will be the board they agreed on. Where they will get the money for flights and daily allowances I dont know. I guess we will be playing cricket again from November. They might as well ask the Windies if they are free so that they can fullfill that original FTP tour since the t20 is old news now.

Honestly speaking when I think about the way Ireland and the Netherlands were flaming us I doubt we would would have made the t20 world cup anyway. Our players dont like pressure. We are not good at that format and we barely play enough of it. Maybe 2021

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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by encore » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:59 pm

9 Aug, 2019 Liam Brickhill

What the resolution reached by Zimbabwe Cricket and SRC entails

The spat between Zimbabwe's Sports and Recreation Commission and Zimbabwe Cricket appears to have reached a resolution. On Thursday the SRC announced that the dispute had been settled, with all parties agreeing to an "Order by Consent", with the matter now pending before an administrative court. Zimbabwe Cricket's directors will be reinstated once the registrar of that court issues an order to that effect, and the interim committee will be dissolved.

There's a lot of legal jargon there. What does this all actually mean?

Basically, it means that the SRC blinked first.

They made it known in their presentation at the ICC Board meeting in July that they felt that they had grounds to suspend the ZC board, alleging electoral irregularities in the board election, as well as various other allegations. Their suspension of the board was within their powers under the act of Parliament that created the SRC, but the ICC's perception was that it constituted unacceptable interference in cricket affairs, violating the laws to which ICC member nations have to adhere. In the meantime, the ZC board took the matter to court, appealing against the SRC's original suspension.

Still, the SRC stood their ground for a while, but as the collateral damage started to mount, with both the men's and women's sides stripped of their chance to compete at the T20 World Cup Qualifiers and the threat of expulsion looming, a resolution to the conflict became the only option.

Sports Minister Kirsty Coventry engineered a series of meetings between the ZC board and the SRC last week. A settlement was found, and the court order - once it is issued - will make that settlement official.
Liam is really stealing a career as a journalist here!!! Then again, this is what today's journalism amounts to.

How on earth do you fail to lambast the SRC and it's former ZC(U) men - (Vince Hogg and Dave Ellman-Brown - a former ZOC and SRC person himself(?)) - for failing to convert their "allegations" into fact first before acting, as well as for failing to get a court order interdicting the ZC AGM from going ahead with the elections?

ZC have facts on their side which is why SRC failed to defend the matter in court. They ran away from getting a very serious and negative judgement against them and Kirsty Coventry. Things got legal, and the real criminals faced having their names and reputations being tarnished by judges in judgements that would remain forever. Mlotshwa sought to protect his reputation and that of his firm. He's a toothless thug!

After the collateral damage which you refer to - which they were entirely responsible for - surely it was only responsible for them to deal with this mater in court, and trust themselves to return to the ICC with a court order which legitimises their action and the ICC lifts the suspension with their interim board in place for "clean" cricket to resume in Zimbabwe.

What was the point - having lost the men and women slots in the T20CWC qualifiers - to then rush and seek to lift a suspension so that Zimbabwe can basically play away to Bangladesh :?: This doesn't make sense :!: :x

If this was to ensure that the domestic season can start - with conciliatory funds from the government for this blunder then it would make sense.

However, that and saving T20CWC was not the intention, and there is still well over 50 days within which court proceedings could have been concluded on an urgent basi to give direction to the ICC, Sports Ministry, SRC, ZC, Players, Fans and Sponsors.

Go through with the courts case and justify your behaviour and actions! This is not the ICC domain but laws of the land, which the ICC would inevitably have to honour and respect based on a court judgement!

I have said it before and I will continue to say it. These guys serve up gutter journalism time and again. Ask the right questions, and report the relevant arguments.

Prove your case you cowardly bullies! What sickening arrogance and selfishness.
But while the SRC's latest statement essentially brought the dispute to an end, it was somewhat light on detail. Will the board be reinstated in its entirety? What was agreed at the meetings between ZC and the SRC? These details could well be important when the ICC meet and discuss Zimbabwe's suspension.
There's been articles which have already said ZC Board and Acting MD Makoni will be restored as is. So I don't know why a proper journalist would ask that question, instead of seeking answers as to why SRC "blinked" or didn't see the court process through! This is really shocking journalism. Cricinfo and the rest of the cricekt world don;t really care about ZImbabwe or Zimbabwe Cricket, but whoever the Editor is shouldn't be publishing such trash without editing it properly. No way the crises in India(BCCI) and Sri Lanka(SLC) would have been sunbjected to such woeful reporting by Cricinfo.

John Ward shouldn't limit himself to just domestic cricket match reports. He must try and work with Cricinfo and Cricbuzz as well. Someone gave a personal account somewhere in which they said John is an Englishman ... from England. That was new.
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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by encore » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:03 pm

BY DANIEL NHAKANISO August 11, 2019

ZC not completely off the hook

THE recently reinstated Zimbabwe Cricket (ZC) board will not escape further scrutiny after the Sports and Recreation Commission (SRC) said it would intensify its probe into the affairs of the game beyond the lifting of the suspension.

An interim committee that had been appointed by the SRC to run the affairs of Zimbabwean cricket in place of the suspended board had now been transformed into a special advisory body on cricket for the country’s supreme sports regulatory body.

In a statement yesterday, the Gerald Mlotshwa-led SRC board said the interim committee now becomes an “Audit, Risk Management and Legal Committee” to probe the affairs of ZC.

The country’s sports regulatory body said the reassignment of the interim committee was part of the agreement reached to bring back the suspended board into office.

The SRC’s Audit, Risk Management and Legal Committee will be comprised of members of the recently disbanded ZC interim committee led by veteran cricket administrator Dave Ellman-Brown.

“Pursuant to Paragraph 8 of the Deed of Settlement signed between Zimbabwe Cricket, Ministry of Youth, Sport, Arts and Recreation and the Sports and Recreation Commission, and forming part of the Consent Order filed with the Administrative Court of Zimbabwe, it is hereby notified that the members of the Interim Committee previously charged with the administration of Zimbabwe Cricket are hereby, in terms of Section 12(2)(b) of the Sports and Recreation Commission Act, appointed as members of the Sports and Recreation Commission’s Audit, Risk Management and Legal Committee charged with enquiring specifically into the affairs of Zimbabwe Cricket,” the SRC said in a statement yesterday.

“Their terms of reference shall, mutatis mutandis, be those terms of reference previously obtaining under the Interim Committee to the extent that these do not extend to the administration or management of Zimbabwe Cricket. Zimbabwe Cricket, in terms of the Deed of Settlement forming a part of the said Consent Order, and in particular paragraph 14 thereof, has agreed to ‘cooperate and exercise the utmost good faith’ with the purposes and intentions of this Committee. The appointment is effective from the date on which the Registrar of the Administrative Court issues the Consent Order agreed to under Case No ACC 34/19,” it added.

As part of the agreement, ZC is to appoint in the next two months a new substantive managing director highly recommended by the ICC.

“The second respondent (ZC board) agrees to appoint, within 60 days hereof, a substantive chief executive officer, being a person whose identity has already been agreed to with the International Cricket Council, and if not so appointed, the post will be advertised and recruitment thereof made on the recommendation of a reputable consultancy firm within a further period of 30 days,” reads the document.

Acting ZC managing director Givemore Makoni, whose suspension was also lifted last week, is expected to step down from the post which he has held since the departure of former ICC finance chief Faisal Hasnain in November 2017.

The settlement also significantly empowers the country’s national team players, who will have the right to appoint a former national team player on the ZC board to represent their interests.

The retired cricketer to be co-opted on the board by the end of this month will be one of two board of directors with “a verifiable and credible background in cricket and its administration”.

Reads the statement: “Additionally, the centrally-contracted cricketers shall be entitled to nominate one director for appointment to the board of directors of second respondent (ZC) by August 31, 2019, which nominee shall be a retired cricketer previously centrally contracted.”
A lot of the ICC demands for representation in Zimbabwe Cricket were widely known, plus Makoni was there temporarily acting anyway, so it's pointless for SRC to try and sneak that into their statement as if it has got anything to do with them. These were conditions to ZC receiving funds. I'm not worried by any ICC appointment because I was not impressed by Faisal Hasnain, and like it or not, he was very positive and complimentary about the ZC Board and Management.

Huge mistake by the SRC, and ZC agreed to it knowing it would be irrelevant. It is illegal to have over 100 players male in female players in the country, and reduce Board representation to just the national team players, more specifically centrally contracted players only. This to my knowledge does not exist in any other cricket nation. What we have in SA (CSA) for example is an agreement for the entire player's representative, to be consulted in all mah\jor decision making or changes.

ZC are very clever, and they know fully well that when the troube starts, they can simply organise a few domestic players to nullify that appointment, and the courts will simply slap both ZC and SRC on the wrist and instruct them to redo the process of appointing a player representative. They have the numbers in the Board so it won't matter much, but if and when it does, they will use chaos and the courts to right that wrong in their favour.

It's easy to see why this is happening:
1. SRC and their people are in a rush
2. They do not want to go through the process of trying to establish a players union, not because the players are divided, but because it would take time; and
3. The centrally contacted players are mostly made up of players who share their thinking since they are the majority (BT, KJ, Williams, Craig Ervine, PJ and Raza)

Mlotshwa, SRC, Dave Ellman-Brown and Vince Hogg are clearly not thinking straight. Their advisory body has no legal powers under the SRC Act. Which means none of their findings will have legal basis. Plus their work relies on ZC having "agreed to cooperate and exercise the utmost good faith". Which is not defined anywhere and not enforceable legally or easily in any court.

In South Africa the Sports Minister appointed a Judicial Commission of Inquiry. In India (BCCI), they similarly had powerful Arbitration with more than one Judge. Nothing tangible or usable will come out of whatever this SRC is trying to do. But there was a small purpose to it because promises were made and some "reputable" people want their palms greased for having food removed from their mouths. :D

This make me very glad because after over two decades of administration in Zimbabwe Cricket, we finally have evidence of corruption in the form of jobs-for-pals by Kirsty Coventry and the President's son-in-law. And I'm so ecstatic that Hogg and Ellman-Brown are the beneficiaries. This is what real corruption looks like ladies and gentlemen. Plus no timeframe! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can't wait for the other Sports to follow this precedent.

Sports and Recreation Commission’s Audit, Risk Management and Legal Committee charged with enquiring specifically into the affairs of Zimbabwe Rugby, Chess, Lawn Bowls, Netball, Hockey, Athletics, Football, Dog Racing, Baseball :lol:
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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by Googly » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:09 pm

If you believe ZC agreed to sign that document for the good of cricket you’re extremely naive.
SRC/Coventry, by their actions have shown they don’t want us to be suspended, as have ZC, it’s in nobody’s interests. So if ZC had stuck to their guns and said “we’re not signing anything, we’ve been given the all clear by ICC and the court!” what would SRC have done?
Let me answer for you- they would have backed off completely and ZC would have had an outright victory.
So why do you think they agreed to sign something that is not in their interests?

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Re: Fact Page (no opinion!)

Post by Googly » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:13 pm

If you think that ZC will outmaneuver them over a period I think you’re mistaken.

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