This Team by now would have been in business if Streak Taibu Combo Continued

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Kriterion please don’t say China have clean hands regarding slavery. They are busy exterminating as we speak one million Uighur Moslems in China and the world does nothing. There are vast numbers in work camps right now! What’s your definition of slavery? :lol:

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Zimco wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:27 am
Kriterion_BD wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:55 pm
Googly wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:29 pm
Aside from the Moslems they were the worst slavers ever to walk this planet.
Based on the historical information available to us now, the race based instutiton of slavery - ie that only Black Africans should be slaves was purely a European innovation. It didn't exist in China or India or Arabia. The Quran itself seems to suggest the liberation of slaves, and hence can and should be interpreted as an abolitionist text.
The “peaceful protests” will prove emphatically the covid lockdown is a complete lie.
Actually statistics and data prove the lockdown works. The only question is how long society and people can tolerate it.
I agree with your statements on Covid 19 as the countries that have been hit hardest by corona virus: USA, Brazil and the UK did not take it seriously at first. UK with its herd mentality ideology and the Brazilian president Bolsonaro calling it just a cold and other ridiculous actions.

However, on the slave trade. There were two main slave trades the East African slave trade and the transatlantic slave trade. The East African slave trade was heavily run by Arab traders. Evidence of it can be seen in countries like Kenya and Mozambique. Many British or 'white people' contributed significantly to the ending of the East African slave trade.

Actually, up until 1500AD slaves were also taken from parts of Europe.

Slaves have historically been of all colors not just back although more recently slaves have been predominantly black. Further, racism towards blacks is not just a white v black thing (perhaps in America- I am not very familiar with America). Look at the recent events in Guangzhou China towards Nigerians over coronavirus fears. Also the xenophobia in South Africa which is black on black.
You’re also forgetting the 4000 white farmers that have been butchered, raped, beaten and tortured by state and EFF sanctioned murderers and the world does nothing.

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Restricting guns in America would go a long way in the long term to easing race relations.

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People that work for very few dollars a day or equivalent on farms in Zimbabwe and other places as well as indentured workers in the Middle East come very close as well to the definition.

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A few Nigerians getting it tight in China is a drop in the ocean compared to what’s happening to the Uighurs.
If you want to talk systemic racism look no further than the Chinese. Show me a group of Nigerians in another country and I’ll show you a drug ring, human traffickers and an organized crime cartel, certainly in our neck of the woods.

In Zimbabwe wages in USD terms makes it a slave wage for sure. You don’t have to look at farm workers (black employers mostly now, who shouted about the slave wages paid by white farmers and who now pay their workers significantly less, oh the irony!), just look at teachers, doctors and the civil service as a whole.

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Googly wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:13 am
I don’t want to get into this with you Kriterion, you perpetually make outrageous statements that can be refuted all day long.
I didn't ask if you wanted to get into this or not. You got into this on your own. I could let you off the hook but then how boring would that be? When someone opens a door they don't have the intellect or the balls to walk through, its always fun to see exactly where it goes.

The liberation of slaves (1200+ years before 1865):
Quran al Baqarah 177 (2:177)

Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.

Quran al Ma'idah 89 (5:89)

Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] - then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.

Quran al Mujadilah 3 (58:3)

And those who pronounce thihar from their wives and then [wish to] go back on what they said - then [there must be] the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. That is what you are admonished thereby; and Allah is Acquainted with what you do.
It should be noted, that in all these instances mentioning bondage and freeing people from it, the arabic word being used is "riqab" and not "'abid", which a lot of associated with servitude, as in names like Abdullah, Abdur Razzak, Abdur-Rahim, [Kareem] Abdul-Jabbar.

Now a few on women, with my commentary:
Quran An Nisa 4 (4:4)

And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.
Pretty self-explanatory.
Quran An Nisa 7 (4:7)

For men is a share of what the parents and close relatives leave, and for women is a share of what the parents and close relatives leave, be it little or much - an obligatory share.
Men inherit twice the share of the women because men are historically tasked with the responsibility of providing for their own families, as well as their parents in old age. Women generally are not (although the Quran doesn't bar them from it).
Quran Al Ahzab 35 (33:35)
Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allah often and the women who do so - for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward.
Firstly, this verse could have easily just said "everything here applies to men and women" in far fewer words. However, the author went out of the way to repeatedly mention men and women (Muslimeena and Muslimati, Mumineena and Muminati, Qaniteena and Qanitati, Sadiqeena and Sadiqati, Sabireena and Sabirati, Kash'ina and Kash'iati, Mutasaddiqeena and Mutasaddiqati, Saa'imeena and Saa'imati, Hafidheena and Hafidhati, Dhakireena and Dhakirati). I believe this was done to highlight the equivalence in expectation, responsibility, reward, and inherent equality of men and women. I see no other logically compelling reason for this verse to be composed as it is.

Secondly, but no less important it highlights the core Islamic values (faith, obedience, truthfulness, perseverance, humility, charitability, chastity, and God-consciousness/gratefulness) according to the Quran. Violence, intolerance, racism aren't listed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

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Googly wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:41 am
Kriterion please don’t say China have clean hands regarding slavery. They are busy exterminating as we speak one million Uighur Moslems in China and the world does nothing. There are vast numbers in work camps right now! What’s your definition of slavery? :lol:
I didn't say China had clean hands. What I said was the Chinese aren't enslaving people based on race. Slavery does exit to this day in many ways. Look at how the working class are treated in pretty much all countries except for most of Europe. That is a form of contemporary 21st century enslavement - a status quo you seem to be quite pleased with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:18 pm
Justine Diamond’s killer, Officer Mohammed Noor, is in jail. 90% of the white officers don’t even get indicted. The one time it was a black cop, he straight got convicted.

Breanna Taylor’s killers haven’t even been arrested, as I understand it. Then you have indictments. Then comes convictions.

The issue is there are two separate legal systems and people are starting to realize it. The NFL has finally
Come out and admitted they were wrong.

Remember, once upon a time slavery was considered virtuous. It isn’t anymore. Progress takes times.

Here is the issue. I saw the statistic that so far in 2020 cops have killed twice as many unarmed whites as blacks. But whites are 6 times the percentage of blacks, meaning that blacks are still being killed at a rate 3 times the rate of blacks.
In a population of 350 million people, of which 40 million are black the police killed 10 unarmed black folk of which 8 they justified.
More black people are killed because the crime statistics show that they do the crime. Have you seen how many whites are killed by blacks in the States? It’s astonishing? The evidence is overwhelming. I’ve studied all the official stats in detail, you interpret them to suit whatever agenda it is that you have.
The NFL are pussies, pandering to perceived public opinion, which is a noisy 20% at most. That Kapernick fellow is a second rate sportsman playing the race card to suit his own agenda. Give me evidence of systemic racism :lol: there’s none. You disrespect a flag in Africa and you will get the snot beaten out of you. You resist arrest or start refusing to show your ID or get out of a car and there you will get walloped. I don’t like cops anywhere but my common sense tells me that arguing with 5 guys with guns, tazers, handcuffs and batons leads to a very fuckin bad day, even if someone is filming it. Those trouble makers should try and do what they’re told and if they get an unreasonable cop who wants to take them to the station then so be it, go quietly and fill out he forms and pay the fine or set a court date, it’s what civilized people do and lo and behold the first world system works.

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:08 am
Googly wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:41 am
Kriterion please don’t say China have clean hands regarding slavery. They are busy exterminating as we speak one million Uighur Moslems in China and the world does nothing. There are vast numbers in work camps right now! What’s your definition of slavery? :lol:
I didn't say China had clean hands. What I said was the Chinese aren't enslaving people based on race. Slavery does exit to this day in many ways. Look at how the working class are treated in pretty much all countries except for most of Europe. That is a form of contemporary 21st century enslavement - a status quo you seem to be quite pleased with.
On the contrary, I’m a working class man and my sympathies are with the workers all day long.
So enslaving them based on religion and beliefs is ok?
Please don’t stick up for the Chinese :lol: :lol:
They are the worst racists on this planet. Ask any African in Africa. They look down on everyone, and I mean everyone.

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Googly wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:18 am

Have you seen how many whites are killed by blacks in the States? It’s astonishing? The evidence is overwhelming. I’ve studied all the official stats in detail, you interpret them to suit whatever agenda it is that you have.
Every black who murders a white gets indicted if not convicted. Not so the other way around. OJ got acquitted by pure accident since Fuhrman was caught lying under oath about being a racist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)

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