[ ICC World Cup Odi Super League ] Match 1 : Zimbabwe V/s Pakistan, Rawalpindi

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Finishing the batting has always been an issue after chigumbara was done with his prime .moor gave hope for sometime but he is not consistent ..raza is not a finisher he is a great manuverer of the ball but not finisher ..sadly we have too many middle order batsman in Taylor ervine raza Williams Wesley but no finisher or opener

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Dion Myers might be the finisher we need.

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Personally I would give shumba the next 4 games and tell him he is opening. Better option than Chari and his natural ceiling will be so much higher.

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It will be interesting to see if they make a change up front in the batting. Chamu actually looked quite composed and chopping one on is unlucky. He might take the soft option and go down the order though, but at whose expense?
Chari went out to a half volley, beaten by pace, never a good look, a bit of bunny in the headlights about that shot.

Ervine looks like a million bucks, I don't like that reverse, didn't need to play it. I see BT managed to put it away today. What a great innings, no substitute for class. That one shot, whatever you want to call it was extraordinary.
His lack of fitness probably was his undoing in the end, he may have gotten us home.

Williams' Achilles' is raw pace and he's going to cop it next game as well. Why didn't he bowl?

Wes had a great day with bat and ball, very impressive. I hope they're not stupid enough to move him up the order. He looked bloody suspect to those 4th and 5th stump snorters, he'll never survive the new ball. In fact he got a bit lucky because the bowling change allowed him to settle. They'll test him with the short ball again to see if he's compulsive, and I suspect he might be. He's very bottom handed through cover, but he eventually started middling them. Those aren't big criticisms, that was a damned good outing for him. I enjoyed watching him.

Raza not too keen on the pace either, let's see how he goes next game. Not easy to come in at the back end, I was surprised he batted after Madhevere. Bowled well.

I'm not too sure what to say about the seam bowling. Its not a good comparison against their opening attack, or any other international attack for that matter.
Surely give the new ball to Blessing?
You can always stay in the game if you bowl line and length and that wasn't great. . I'm pretty sure Mumba will sit out the next game.

That will be our easiest game in my view, its going to get untidy moving forward. Fucker might get a game for them next outing, surprised not to see him. Depending on the deck, we're chasing 320 plus next time. We were competitive thanks mainly to BT's innings. ZC will breathe a sigh of relief, that's the only box they need to tick.

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Chari is frustrating because he has such promise and yet doesn't give himself the chance to set himself up to play an innings of note let along survive the bloody powerplay. 1/10

Chamu's technique looked absolutely dreadful today, not that it has changed much over the years, just look at the shot played that was narrowly umpires call. Played 1 good shot but looked ready to get out virtually every ball. Also please never make me have to watch him bowl again, i swear i can spray it about less than him. 1/10

Ervine looked absolutely brilliant, just got into his own head when he was getting bogged down a bit and trusted his ability to clear the infield which he didn't execute very well but had put Zim into a good position following the woeful start. 6/10

Taylor's innings was one of the best i've seen him play, looked composed and was absolutely brilliant with his communication to Madhevere who was hanging onto his every word like he was the mosiah. While the commentators where criticising his lack of rotating the strike in the middle order he certainly made up for it in his overall strike rate and playing some of the most insane shots ive ever seen, especially those two upper cuts off of the faster gits. Only issue was his fitness causing him to run out of steam and not be able to stick it out and finish the game for Zimbabwe, also got lucky with a few silly shots which he was about a month early on. 8/10

Williams had a very quite game unlike his recent form from the last couple years and im a little surprised they didn't bowl him at all considering how economical the spin bowling was. Good in the field though. 3/10

Madhevere was very good today. Firstly his bowling was economical without looking particularly troubling, personally think he bowled probably a few too many overs that could have been bowled by one of the other multiple spin bowlers Zim have on offer. Batting is where he starred. Looked particularly good against the short ball, which a man of his stature must be to crack it as a pro cricketer, although perhaps a little instinctive to take it on constantly which could get him into trouble against the pakistani seamers in the rest of the series. This kid is proper and impresses me everytime i watch him. Got out trying to be too clever and confusing himself but was great to see him speaking to Brendan Taylor throughout his whole innings which can only improve his game further. 7/10

Raza was at his temporamental best today. Bowled decently picking up the one wicket but as with Madhevere bowled probably a couple too many. Not much to say on the batting other than this was classic Raza of one day you get him the next you don't. 5/10

Chisoro was the most dangerous looking of the bowling attack and looked to be causing good players of spin problems at various points. Confused why Chamu decided that Raza was a better options bowling more overs than the guy taking the most wickets but alas... good to see the scariest man on the cricket field in the red and yellow again. Not much to say about his batting was an almost impossible situation at that point so cant blame him. 7/10

Mumba was poor, like really poor. He was spraying the stuff all over the place at the beginning of the innings and was lucky he wasn't going at 10 an over tbh. Came back a little better in his second spell but by the end the Pakistani tail had completely worked him out. Hopefully we don't see him again this series. Cant bat to save his life. 2/10

Ngarava was ok without being spectacular. His first spell was really quite impressive going at just 2 an over and very unfortunate not to pick up any wickets. Really enjoy his left arm but needs to pitch the ball up a lot more fuller if he wants to take the new ball duties over from Jarvis and Chatara when they're fit. Second spell got picked off a bit but overall bowled economically without looking particularly dangerous. Also cant bat to save his life but if he works with Jarvis and Chatara alongside the likes of Muzarabani he could develop into a seriously good bowler if he gets that control better. 5/10

Muzarabani has been a bit of a mancrush of mine for a while and i was convinced he would never come back to play for Zimbabwe again, but fair play to him. Bowled well today without being at his absolute best picking up 2 important wickets, especially that of Babar Azam stopping Pak almost certainly from going on to reach 320 plus. The time in the county circuit will only have improved this man and i hope he can continue to improve on those stats he has as his grows in bowling maturity. 7/10

There's my take on the players performances today. By the time any of you have read it we will all be watching the 2nd ODI...

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TapsC2 wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:56 pm
Kind of saw this happening but the collapse came a bit later today because of Wes.

1- The game was lost because we conceded 90 runs in the last 10. What on earth is Hondo teaching these guys? No death bowling technique at all. Chatara for Mumba for me on Sunday

2- Chari again is a waste of space. I really don’t know what they see in him but he has to go. I don’t think Kamunhukamwe or Burl have the technique to handle Afridi so what I would do would be to shift Wes uptop and bring in either Burl or Elton or Shumba to the middle order.

3- Wes is a star. The crazy thing is that he is not the best batsman from his age group. Shumba is just about the same level if not slightly lower than him and Myers is better. Hopefully Myers gives it a go at least for a year.

4- I was a bit worried about BT because his body language has been a bit off for a while but it’s good to see him back and being the star. Ervine played well too. Hopefully Williams and Raza step up next game.
Yeah this is a good summary

It has always been an issue for Zimbabwe, every batsman is better in the middle order, can’t find any openers and struggle for proper finishers. This is why I always dumbfounded when people wanted to drop Hamilton, he was the one Zimbabwe batsman who actually looked comfortable against proper pace.

Granted Kamunhukamwe will probably struggle against Shaheen & Rauf, but he’s more of a chance to hit a quick fire 15-30 than Chari is.

I’d be concerned about throwing Shumba straight into the deep end of opening against these guys, Ervine might have to open he’s pretty much been opening for years batting at first drop.

Bowling wise if they’re not going to bowl Chisoro more than 5 overs, bring in Burl or Shumba. I like Chisoro but only bowling 5 overs was a waste imo.

Mumba has a bad day but I’d rather stick with him than Tiripano, I think they see Mumba as that guy who bowls and can hold a bat, No.9 type. If they are going to drop Chisoro for another batsman then you could swap Mumba for Chatara but that makes it there No.11’s
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Missed most of our innings as I was fast asleep but watched the highlights this morning.

Shaheen showed why Blessing needs the new ball. Movement and making the ball do the work is the point of a front line bowler. Having Blessing at 3 negates what he can do with the new ball and as we saw, he did actually manage to get some movement in his over and make the batsmen second guess themselves.

Hondo has been with this team for years and we keep talking about how a bowler needs to change something or do something, which suggests Hondo as a bowling coach is not good enough (yet), or that the bowlers are just not good enough.

BT came to shut up some naysayers. He is the best player Zim has had since '04 and as much as TM and co want to erase that, the stats speak for themselves. Wes and Craig played well but Wes was undone by lack of foot movement. Looked to be a lazy shot and that is something that will hopefully come with age and time in the middle. Not sure what Craig was doing. He is best playing with a straight bat. The rest all need to pull their weight with the bat. Chari is just a waste of a spot, in fact, so is Chamu. They are both just not good enough to open and create more problems for us than fix any solutions. How Chari got in to the side is beyond me, and that he has played 12 games still and only averages 12. At 28, he hasn't shown signs of improvement, time to bring in youngsters.

Chamu as a captain is just useless. Why he bowled himself before the specialists is beyond me. He did not mix things up at the top when it was clear that Ngarava and Mumba were not doing much. He never speaks to his bowlers when they are going astray from the plan. Captains need to be active and and involved, unless he is scoring big runs, he is not bringing much to the team.

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Just a few more thoughts to add to the already detailed summaries...

1. Sean Williams is at his best when he is allowed to do everything he can for the team, the lionhearted player that he is. Not getting to bowl yesterday would have not helped him get his competitive juices up. Imagine Sean bowling a tight spell, ripping a wicket or two. He would have been much more in the zone than what he probably was yesterday when he came out to bat,

2. I would like to think that Chisoro was picked in the XI for a reason, and that was to be the aggressive wicket taking option (and he is that kind of a bowler anyway, not like Wellington). So, to let the game meander on in the middle overs assuming that we were in control and hence not wanting to change much and give Chisoro a bowl is bullshit. He should have bowled much earlier and would have created chances. So too, would have Williams. Very defensive captaincy.

3. Taylor was at his best. The 2 fours he hit soon after his 100, one straight over mid-off and as soon as they sent mid-off back to long-off and brought third man in, the precision work to send it over his head. That is quintessential Taylor! That last shot I mentioned there. That is one of the most unique and fully-in-control shots anyone would have seen...

4. Wes is the best thing that has happened to Zim Cricket in ages. Enough said.

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Wesley Madhevere is technically correct batsman, needs few balls to get set, should be given the batting position where he made his name i,e as opener. He will get plenty of balls to face without any pressure and once he gets set its treat to watch his shots.

Chari should be dropped, Burl should open with Madhevere, and Chamu should come at 7.
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Fell asleep just before he made the landmark.
Well done BRMT.
11th ODI ton
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