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selection

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:33 am
by jonge
can anyone out there understand where (stanford)al cambell makes his selections from .clearly he has nothing to work with .any comments.

Re: selection

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:46 am
by jonge
Who are making the cricketing decisions in zim???? You have the most inexpierienced coaching staff in International cricket.What coaching has Alan Butcher ,Heath streak and grant Flower got behind them.The Zim team has not competed in any of their world Cup matches and lost to Ireland.They play Kenya tomorrow ,is it the First time Zim will be worried about playing Kenya? Is the team improving or are we going backwards.

Re: selection

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:37 pm
by Tiger
Backwards methinks...Let's start a rung up the ladder above the coaching staff. Clean that level out first. Then move a rung lower to the players....most of who are "long teeth" or totally inexperienced. After "building up the side" for so many years it would look like the tree has produced "rotten fruit". Pity about this. By the way, from the look of the U19 side it looks like Zim are making this an administrative habit.

Re: selection

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:03 pm
by jonge
how does tiger think we would be able to rid this tree of rotten fruit.would a insectecide work,what ever is needed needs to be done soonest for the sake of getting it right.

Re: selection

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:19 pm
by eugene
Cleaning out the players is ridiculous. I hate to break this to you but the current group of 20 or so players who regularly represent Zimbabwe are our best players. People may bicker about whether Hamilton Masakadza should have been included or Chamu Chibhabha etc, but I dont think anyone we left at home would have really changed the overall outcome of this tournament. The gap between us and the major cricketing nations is too big for any one play to bridge. I think we need to focus alot more on the mental aspect of the game - our players clearly have talent but they badly lack consistency and the ability to perform under pressure. Perhaps we need an entire team of sports psychologists or something.

Re: selection

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:03 pm
by cock
Eugene, as I said in one of my earlier articles our top flight players lack the hunger to win because their pay packages are high and it doesn't matter whether they win or not. I think from franchise cricket up there should be a reduce retainer salary and more bonuses put on taking wickets, making runs and winning games. At the moment a young player who is taking the most wickets in a match is still only taking home $300 a month where some of the top players are earning $5000 and not performing. Maybe we also need a bastard of a coach, someone like Ray Jennings, who will put a couple of firecrackers up some of the backsides of our elite players who only perform once every 5 games. The other problem is if you look at the coaching of the junior teams there is no real coaching taking place and most coaches taking junior teams on tours are glorified managers.

Re: selection

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:13 am
by eugene
cock wrote:Eugene, as I said in one of my earlier articles our top flight players lack the hunger to win because their pay packages are high and it doesn't matter whether they win or not. I think from franchise cricket up there should be a reduce retainer salary and more bonuses put on taking wickets, making runs and winning games. At the moment a young player who is taking the most wickets in a match is still only taking home $300 a month where some of the top players are earning $5000 and not performing. Maybe we also need a bastard of a coach, someone like Ray Jennings, who will put a couple of firecrackers up some of the backsides of our elite players who only perform once every 5 games. The other problem is if you look at the coaching of the junior teams there is no real coaching taking place and most coaches taking junior teams on tours are glorified managers.

You make a good point about junior teams being coached by glorified managers. This is why as Alan Butcher said that even at international level they are having to work on basic technique with the players. By the time players reach the national team they shouldn't have fundamental flaws with their technique. The quality of players coming throught he age group sides is getting worse and worse. I really think Zimbabwe Cricket needs to spend it money on quality coaching for young age-group players. You are also right about our elite players performing once every five games. Brendan Taylor (who is one of our best players) is only performing once very five games - this is unacceptable.

Re: selection

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:03 am
by jonge
i agree with cock a hard line approach and not the soft cock is needed with our coaching staff.wonder how many players would accept it before running off to complain to admin.

Re: selection

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:33 pm
by Tiger
If one were to use a simple business analogy....if the Corporation has failed to reach target then the Shareholders need to have a hard look at the Directors...starting with the Managing Director. The Board of Directors sets Policy. Inevitably, once the dead wood has been cleared out of the Board, then the next competency tests are levelled against Management.....and so the clean-out progresses until such time as there is a new core/critical mass.

If we were to look at ZC the first question is Administration? Then Coaching? The Selectors. Then players?

What is Zim's short, medium and long terms targets? It would appear that these are not working as we progress down the slippery slide of one-day rankings.

I agree with cock. There needs to be some accountability to achieve success - as well as transparency. Let'' start at the top of the ladder and work our way down.

Ultimately as Eugene says -we have the talent....but are the best playing???

Re: selection

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:40 pm
by Dr_Situ(ZimFanatic)
Tiger wrote:If one were to use a simple business analogy....if the Corporation has failed to reach target then the Shareholders need to have a hard look at the Directors...starting with the Managing Director. The Board of Directors sets Policy. Inevitably, once the dead wood has been cleared out of the Board, then the next competency tests are levelled against Management.....and so the clean-out progresses until such time as there is a new core/critical mass.

If we were to look at ZC the first question is Administration? Then Coaching? The Selectors. Then players?

What is Zim's short, medium and long terms targets? It would appear that these are not working as we progress down the slippery slide of one-day rankings.

I agree with cock. There needs to be some accountability to achieve success - as well as transparency. Let'' start at the top of the ladder and work our way down.

Ultimately as Eugene says -we have the talent....but are the best playing???
Short term, intermediate, long term goals all boil down to actual performance ON THE FIELD. If the batters of repute of Taylor and Chigumbura are failing why blame the selectors. Its not management, its cricket. Its not played on a laptop rather on the field.