Last time Zimbabwe have gotten one over us is in Bulawayo 2013. We haven't lost in 8+ years.CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:58 pm"Bangladesh have defeated Zimbabwe in 18 ODIs in a row." WTF, didn't know this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)
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Have a feeling Zimbabwe will win tomorrow.
Misplaced and misguided faith but faith all the same
Misplaced and misguided faith but faith all the same
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Very flimsy ground to judge it on, if so; it was a completely different motion of the bat.Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:50 pmI think the reasoning was that although he had *finished* his stroke in terms of intent, the physical act of the bat swing never stopped. It went from attempted ramp continously onto the stumps. For me this was 50-50, I would have been satisfied if they ruled dead ball and not out.
Good appeal by BD, arguably debatable decision from the umpires.
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guys new, wouldnt be too harsh on himTapsC2 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:23 amHe shouldn't be hitting his wicket with his follow through in the first place. Practicing or not. That's all I'm saying. Basic training that all coaches from junior level stress about. It was an accident yes and he should not have been given out according to most people's interpretation of the laws.
Had that been Maruma you would have understood what I'm saying better. I also think he almost hit his wicket earlier too
The person I'm upset with over the incident is Langton Rusere. He should have done better but our own umpires have a history of being harsh on their own guys, even in domestic games
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If that's the reasoning, it really is ridiculous and illogical to my mind; the actual swing at the ball should be what counts. If he had swung his bat three times behind him, even ten times without stopping and knocked the wicket the final time, would that still be out? That surely is not the purpose of the law; common sense should prevail if there is any doubt.Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:50 pmI think the reasoning was that although he had *finished* his stroke in terms of intent, the physical act of the bat swing never stopped. It went from attempted ramp continously onto the stumps. For me this was 50-50, I would have been satisfied if they ruled dead ball and not out.
Good appeal by BD, arguably debatable decision from the umpires.
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By the way, referring back to the Mark Waugh hit-wicket appeal in the Test against South Africa; I support South Africa, but after looking carefully at that replay I decided reluctantly that the umpire was right in giving him not out, and it was a much closer thing than the Taylor case.jward wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:51 pmIf that's the reasoning, it really is ridiculous and illogical to my mind; the actual swing at the ball should be what counts. If he had swung his bat three times behind him, even ten times without stopping and knocked the wicket the final time, would that still be out? That surely is not the purpose of the law; common sense should prevail if there is any doubt.Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:50 pmI think the reasoning was that although he had *finished* his stroke in terms of intent, the physical act of the bat swing never stopped. It went from attempted ramp continously onto the stumps. For me this was 50-50, I would have been satisfied if they ruled dead ball and not out.
Good appeal by BD, arguably debatable decision from the umpires.
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You're right: common sense should have prevailed and Taylor could have been ruled not out. Key word, could. Now if I am aware of the rules correctly, this is my understanding of the issue:jward wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:51 pm
If that's the reasoning, it really is ridiculous and illogical to my mind; the actual swing at the ball should be what counts. If he had swung his bat three times behind him, even ten times without stopping and knocked the wicket the final time, would that still be out? That surely is not the purpose of the law; common sense should prevail if there is any doubt.
Now swinging the bat 10 times is a mistaken example because a) it would never happen in real life and b) time elapsed is also a critical factor in addition to the bat swing being 1 continuous motion. In the amount of time it takes to swing the bat 10 times, a bowler would have been halfway through his run up for the next ball ie clearly a dead ball in that situation. As another example, what would have happened if instead of hitting the stumps, Taylor was out his crease and the WK threw down the stumps? Would that be a run out? I think so. That means that the ball resting in the fielder/WK hands is only the marker of a dead ball IF both batsmen have ALSO completed their batting/running actions.
In this case, it was a dead ball from the perspective of the ball resting in the hands of the WK. But it was not dead because both batters hadn't stopped moving yet. Yes Taylor may have assumed or thought the ball was dead, but that doesn't mean the umpire has to agree.
Had he not been given out, I would have supported the decision.
Dharmasena's decision in the WC final where he counted one boundary extra was actually technically a wrong decision, albeit one that is very difficult to adjudge correctly on the field in real time. However the Taylor hit wicket was one of those rare instances where both decisions were correct, depending on the umpire's interpretation IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuZBykSzM (Noreaga - Blood Money Part 3)
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Not so much a dead ball as a dead stroke! He had completely finished his action of playing at the ball, which is the intention of the law. But let's not waste any more time going into minute details, such as how many swings of the bat does it have to be before it is considered not out - that's my position.Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:52 pmYou're right: common sense should have prevailed and Taylor could have been ruled not out. Key word, could. Now if I am aware of the rules correctly, this is my understanding of the issue:jward wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:51 pm
If that's the reasoning, it really is ridiculous and illogical to my mind; the actual swing at the ball should be what counts. If he had swung his bat three times behind him, even ten times without stopping and knocked the wicket the final time, would that still be out? That surely is not the purpose of the law; common sense should prevail if there is any doubt.
Now swinging the bat 10 times is a mistaken example because a) it would never happen in real life and b) time elapsed is also a critical factor in addition to the bat swing being 1 continuous motion. In the amount of time it takes to swing the bat 10 times, a bowler would have been halfway through his run up for the next ball ie clearly a dead ball in that situation. As another example, what would have happened if instead of hitting the stumps, Taylor was out his crease and the WK threw down the stumps? Would that be a run out? I think so. That means that the ball resting in the fielder/WK hands is only the marker of a dead ball IF both batsmen have ALSO completed their batting/running actions.
In this case, it was a dead ball from the perspective of the ball resting in the hands of the WK. But it was not dead because both batters hadn't stopped moving yet. Yes Taylor may have assumed or thought the ball was dead, but that doesn't mean the umpire has to agree.
Had he not been given out, I would have supported the decision.
Dharmasena's decision in the WC final where he counted one boundary extra was actually technically a wrong decision, albeit one that is very difficult to adjudge correctly on the field in real time. However the Taylor hit wicket was one of those rare instances where both decisions were correct, depending on the umpire's interpretation IMO.
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Sorry unrelated to Zim but where can I watch ban v aus from Australia? Anyone have a link?
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bang ... rs-1271890
https://stream.crichd.ac/willow-cricket ... ream-hd-17
you can try find it here but the ads are a real pain. CHeck the chat on the right for a link if you cant find