Where to from here?

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The team would be fine if they knew how to prepare the replacements. That involves a HPC with the right coach/s so they can work on guys with real ability to step up.
They need better prep than our domestic delivers. Guys are being left to their own devices, no pre-season, no specialised coaching etc etc. Just same old net sessions with very little input. It's a game of millimeters. A guy on pay to play is not going to spend a cent on a private coach.
That's someone like Brent/Houghton/BT, bowling machines, decent nets both indoor and outdoor, good throwers etc etc.

You've got Myers, Bennett, possibly Naqvi, Welchx2, Madhevere, Shumba, Overlord, Evans etc. All young guys with real ability.
If they don't go the extra yard right now we're in trouble.
Currently they're putting together a makeshift u25 side to go where and do what? Sure they need game time, but they need proper preparation first. Endless nets on shit pitches is only a small piece of the jigsaw.
They could get Innocent Kaia going better, technically very good. We've got a bunch of mentally fragile national players as well.
The only solution mooted so far is pay them less because they don't deserve it. Look you guys are a bunch of losers and don't deserve the loot you're getting (or not) so here's a lot less and we might just award ourselves a bit more because you're causing us some stress doesn't seem like a winning formula. You're not getting people to put in the hard yards if they can't pay rent and eat and there are mystery guys on central contracts. Its a joke. Plus let's build a Batonka Stadium because everyone will improve overnight.

Theyve still got the Cartwright, Muyeye, Byrom and even BT Ballance option to revisit and to explore.
BT could play a crucial role in some capacity or other, but they'll opt for a third rate other coach instead.

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Googly wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:35 am

Theyve still got the Cartwright, Muyeye, Byrom and even BT Ballance option to revisit and to explore.
BT could play a crucial role in some capacity or other, but they'll opt for a third rate other coach instead.
ZC, TM and Bvute would much rather burn down HSC than reach out to these guys to bring them in.

They are plagues who have destroyed cricket in Zim and will be responsible for its complete death.

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It's happening now in real time but people are not seeing it. Folks need to see a gun shot to recognize it for what it is.

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ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:10 am
Naqvi is a club cricketer who can’t even crack windies domestic
He may be good enough to be in our 11 but he’s no saviour. Just a conservative bst who took advantage of slow low IQ bowling
He’s better than most of the guys in our domestic clearly. The caveat being that our domestic cricket probably isn’t an indicator of how well or bad someone may do at international cricket. A recent example being that we have guys with better Logan Cup records than Joylord Gumbie but they have done worse than him at international level.

Besides, and I repeat myself all the time, I wish it was as easy as swapping a different or ‘new’ player in the team and seeing better results but unfortunately the system is far too rotten and broken. Selecting the right players and importing one or two could for sure save face and improve immediate results slightly. But we are not going to be a top level cricketing nation until the fundamental system and administration flaws are solved and there is quite simply no quick fix. And it’s very unlikely to happen with this board in place.

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It's not going to happen
Theyre going down with the ship in true naval tradition.

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In fairness I made my Naqvi diss before I realised he just scored a triple.
But it doesn’t mean much. Just means he’s somewhere in quality below our big three but above the rest.
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secretzimbo wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:06 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:10 am
Naqvi is a club cricketer who can’t even crack windies domestic
He may be good enough to be in our 11 but he’s no saviour. Just a conservative bst who took advantage of slow low IQ bowling
He’s better than most of the guys in our domestic clearly. The caveat being that our domestic cricket probably isn’t an indicator of how well or bad someone may do at international cricket. A recent example being that we have guys with better Logan Cup records than Joylord Gumbie but they have done worse than him at international level.

Besides, and I repeat myself all the time, I wish it was as easy as swapping a different or ‘new’ player in the team and seeing better results but unfortunately the system is far too rotten and broken. Selecting the right players and importing one or two could for sure save face and improve immediate results slightly. But we are not going to be a top level cricketing nation until the fundamental system and administration flaws are solved and there is quite simply no quick fix. And it’s very unlikely to happen with this board in place.
Gumbie etc do better/same at international than domestic because they have reinforced techniques. The opposite of a flat track bully. They won’t whack sixes internationally but not at domestic either. They have just nailed the protecting the wicket part. We have those guys in our system but it’s only half the job. It’s the opposite of a Zhuwao.
The question is who is better for a coach to work with.
A Rock who cant score or a stroke maker with holes all over his technique?
I actually think the 2nd has a higher ceiling but I’m not completely sure.
But I think it was easier to make a David Warner type a test player than an Alistair Cook a T20 specialist.

Also the same reason an off spinner generally will get the same stats in club cricket as international. It’s a discipline that tends to transcend levels.
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Looks like the U25 tour is confirmed, as Kent are listing a fixture with their 2nd XI in July.
https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/fixtures- ... e-category

They have it down as Zim 'A' though at the moment.

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Who else are rhey playing? Is there a full itinerary?

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Durham apparently but it sounds like a bit of a scramble to try and organise fixtures from what I’ve heard.

Funnily enough proper setups organise their seasons far in advance, unlike ZC :lol:

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