[Series Thread] Bangladesh in South Africa 2017

[pariah]

If Mehidy's 0-247 doesn't give Graeme "Shane Warne" Cremer some nightmares I don't know what will!

I have two questions:


1. Are Williams and Raza better spin bowlers than Mahmudullah?

2. Is Kyle Jarvis(29 yrs old) better than Mustafizur Rahman(22 yrs old)?
NOTE: ODIs and T20s are not included. The latter is 3 times better, and proabably would be after 10 life times of trying.

[Kriterion_BD]

Williams, Raza, and Mahmudullah are in their sides for their batting, not their bowling. That is a bonus. And Willy and Raza's spin on recent form is better than Mahmudullah's.

But since you keep talking about certain other vastly overrated players, ask yourself these more pertinent questions:

Is Vusi a better opener than Shahriar Nafees?
Is Utseya a better spinner than Arafat Sunny (both were banned for chucking)?

[pariah]

Williams, Raza, and Mahmudullah are in their sides for their batting, not their bowling. That is a bonus.

So break down their batting...
You're confused! What is a bonus by your definition? Williams bowled 23+44 overs in SL. That's not a bonus, that's a calamity!

Is Vusi a better opener than Shahriar Nafees?

Vusi is not an opener. Never has been and never will be.

Is Utseya a better spinner than Arafat Sunny?

By a country mile!

[pariah]

Bangladesh hammered so much even Mushfiqur is left in tears.

angladesh captain Mushfiqur Rahim's statements about his decisions on winning the toss, and the team management telling him to field in the deep, has the BCB "concerned", according to board president Nazmul Hassan.

While no decision had been taken on Mushfiqur's future as Test captain, Hassan said the board would look into the matter after the Bangladesh team returned from the ongoing tour of South Africa.

"It is a matter of the country's image when he [Mushfiqur] makes these statements on tour," Hassan said. "The board is concerned with his statement because it is not consistent with the information we have. So it is important to find out from him what's happening. We have to investigate the issue, but only after the series. We will sort out what's bothering him. If there's no way out and if we see that leaving the captaincy will be good for Mushfiqur, then we will decide accordingly."

After the first day of the Bloemfontein Test, Mushfiqur said he wished he had not won the toss, alluding to how poorly his bowlers performed. "I think it was my mistake to win the toss," he had said. "I have been trying to do everything honestly for the last 12 years. But in these last two games it seems it would have been better had I lost the toss. I think it is my personal failure. I am not able to motivate my players or guide my bowlers."

Hassan said the team management - also comprising the coaching staff and manager - was there to provide the captain with specific plans and strategies, and he wanted to find out if Mushfiqur was having problems with anyone.

"I don't think it is the captaincy but something else is bothering him. It could be the management, coach or even us. If we can figure it out, we will solve the problem," Hassan said. "But let me ask you something: is it the management's decision to field first in the second Test? Let us find out.

"There's nothing to hide in this case of who took the decision. Management gives a plan. If they don't give a plan, what's the use of having coaching staff?"

Hassan described Mushfiqur as a quiet person who loses morale when he personally doesn't perform, which leads to his teammates having to pick him up.

"Mushfiq is a little different than others, not in a negative sense. He doesn't express himself much. The quiet types are hard to understand. And they end up saying unexpected things," Hassan said. "For example, there isn't a captain in the world who'd say it was wrong of me to win the toss. But he has said it. Is this a way to answer a question? It shows that he's having some problem, but I knew it from before.

"He wants to perform all the time. If he doesn't do well, he becomes disheartened in the field. His team-mates have to encourage him, and not the other way around. He becomes demoralised, goes into his shell. But he is one of our best batsmen. He has given a lot for the country."

The pain would have been even worse if they were against Ngidi and Beuran in stead of Olivier and Parnell.

[sloandog]

The pain would have been even worse if they were against Ngidi and Beuran in stead of Olivier and Parnell.

Nigidi hasn't played enough to suggest she would tear an batting attack apart, so this doesn't stand up.
Olivier has shown that he has what it takes in test cricket and proved himself last season especially in FC cricket with 60 wickets. So to suggest he is inferior in any way to Ngidi is stupid. Bias shining through brightly, mate.

Parnell I'll agree is rubbish. ODI Cricket at best. He's not a test bowler since he's lost that swing and the genuine pace he illustrated in 2008 against Australia.

[jaybro]

Vusi is not an opener. Never has been and never will be.

Well would you believe it all these coaches who have been playing Vusi as an opener have been wrong the whole time

Geoff Marsh
Phil Simmons
Kevin Curran
Robin Brown
Walter Chawaguta
Heath Streak
Alan Butcher
Andy Waller
Steve Mangongo
Dav Whatmore

All these men who have coached Zimbabwe are all wrong and Hhm is right

Who would have thought

[pariah]

Nigidi hasn't played enough to suggest she would tear an batting attack apart, so this doesn't stand up.
Olivier has shown that he has what it takes in test cricket and proved himself last season especially in FC cricket with 60 wickets. So to suggest he is inferior in any way to Ngidi is stupid. Bias shining through brightly, mate.

I' seriously don't think there are more than a handful Indian and white SA cricket fans who will agree with you that Olivier is better than Ngidi.

[sloandog]

Nigidi hasn't played enough to suggest she would tear an batting attack apart, so this doesn't stand up.
Olivier has shown that he has what it takes in test cricket and proved himself last season especially in FC cricket with 60 wickets. So to suggest he is inferior in any way to Ngidi is stupid. Bias shining through brightly, mate.

I' seriously don't think there are more than a handful Indian and white SA cricket fans who will agree with you that Olivier is better than Ngidi.

Based on what..?

[pariah]

Based on what..?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/opinion/pol ... t-10330050

Pollock even defended white opening batsman Heino Kuhn’s Test failures on transformation, saying that Kuhn was only picked because of his first class success in a South African competition structure that apparently is weak because of transformation.

Apparently it’s never the white guy’s fault and Kuhn’s failures are excused because inferior black bowlers supposedly created the illusion he could bat.

Kuhn was out of his depth at Lords and has looked equally limp at Trent Bridge. Ditto Duane Olivier at Trent Bridge.

He is right: Kuhn and Olivier shouldn’t be playing in the second Test. He is wrong when he says it is because of transformation.

I’ve heard similar arguments year after year when it comes to the rugby failures of the Springboks. Transformation is blamed for ever Bok failure but when the team wins transformation is never mentioned.

Transformation was blamed for the Springboks’ 2015 Rugby World Cup defeat against Japan but the player who missed the tackle for Japan’s match-winning try was Jesse Kriel. There was never a media backlash about Kriel not being good enough defensively because of the colour of his skin.

There was never an issue made that 12 white players in the 15 was the reason the Boks lost. Nope, what we got was the predictable and cliché social media rant that politics was killing the Springboks.

[sloandog]

Based on what..?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/opinion/pol ... t-10330050

Pollock even defended white opening batsman Heino Kuhn’s Test failures on transformation, saying that Kuhn was only picked because of his first class success in a South African competition structure that apparently is weak because of transformation.

Apparently it’s never the white guy’s fault and Kuhn’s failures are excused because inferior black bowlers supposedly created the illusion he could bat.

Kuhn was out of his depth at Lords and has looked equally limp at Trent Bridge. Ditto Duane Olivier at Trent Bridge.

He is right: Kuhn and Olivier shouldn’t be playing in the second Test. He is wrong when he says it is because of transformation.

I’ve heard similar arguments year after year when it comes to the rugby failures of the Springboks. Transformation is blamed for ever Bok failure but when the team wins transformation is never mentioned.

Transformation was blamed for the Springboks’ 2015 Rugby World Cup defeat against Japan but the player who missed the tackle for Japan’s match-winning try was Jesse Kriel. There was never a media backlash about Kriel not being good enough defensively because of the colour of his skin.

There was never an issue made that 12 white players in the 15 was the reason the Boks lost. Nope, what we got was the predictable and cliché social media rant that politics was killing the Springboks.

No no I didn't say based on who, I said based on what. Graeme Pollock has an opinion just like me and you.

Khun was massively out of his depth, I admitted as much in other threads.
Olivier is being referenced to one test match where he bowled poorly, yet he bowled exceptionally well in the final game and has done so far in this series against Bangladesh. Now where's the facts, not the opinions, that Olivier is inferior to Ngidi?