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cricket_22001 wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:57 am
I know this makes me sound like a smarty pants but Joshi sits 3rd on the list of Ranji Trophy wicket takers with 479. Rajinder Goel (a contemporary of Bedi, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna & Venkat) heads the list with 642 wickets, followed by Venkat with 530. Goel never played a test.
Joshi was also a useful batsman with 4 FC centuries & over 5000 runs & a test average of 20 with a high of 92- against Bangladesh.
Thanks for those details :). I knew he was very high up and thought he got to the top by the time he retired. He can't complain looking at Goel's luck - 4 world class guys to compete with. And yeah, Joshi was particularly fond of hitting slog sweep sixes against other left arm spinners if I remember correctly :)

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The talk of Joshi has reminded me of the Indian spin trio I always enjoyed - Kumble, Raju, and Chauhan.
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eugene wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:38 pm
The talk of Joshi has reminded me of the Indian spin trio I always enjoyed - Kumble, Raju, and Chauhan.
Yeah, That trio was around for a while.The 90's. When dust bowls were not ordered, but were the only option available for test matches in India. The latter two and countless pacers could not survive them, while only Kumble and Srinath probably came away with their careers in tact. Incidentally, 19 years ago today, Kumble got his 10 wickets in an innings haul. Chauhan got his fame with the last over six at Karachi against Saqlain. Unfortunately Raju just faded away.

Back to Joshi, before Chahal got his 5 for 22 against SA the other day, Joshi had the figures of 10-6-6-5 against an even mightier SA lineup in 1999. That was the quadrangular where Kenya and Zim were involved too.

Here's a grainy video. Looked like he was pretty accurate that day. A recording of the entire spell would have been nice SLA bowling to watch. Also reminds us how easy Dravid made the slip catching look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhxB14QWjA

A bonus, from the same series: Joshi clobbering Olonga and Whittall in the death overs before Whittall shows who's the boss (I just had to post this with Whittall being there :) )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e89M5ZLXXRQ

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Abdur Razzak is back !!!!

4 for at the moment
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Abdur Razzak is back !!!!

4 for at the moment
Bowled well and hats off to him, but it was a selection that made little sense. Of course, that wasn't the worse selection made. Sabbir Rahman was picked despite being a hack and being clueless against spin over Mosaddek who is very good against spin. Sabbir also has a duck in his last first class appearance.

At any rate, we're well behind in this match thanks to some braindead batting. Not much else to say about that. I don't think the pitch is as bad as the score is suggesting. Mendis showed that runs can be scored.
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Critical day of batting for BD. 56 for 4, chasing 222 for parity.

Thats 166 runs with 4 main batsmen left in Liton, Miraz, Riyad, and Sabbir. 42 runs more from each of them will do it. The tail can't bat so it will be up to those guys to score the bulk of the runs.

SL got to 222 with basically two guys scoring all the runs, so its possible to get there with 4 guys. Going to be interesting to see how Herath and Co do on this track.
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Sri Lanka have bounced back very well after the opening two ODI defeats now dominating this test

I think your mates got too cocky Kriterion, underestimating Sri Lanka
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jaybro wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:12 am
Sri Lanka have bounced back very well after the opening two ODI defeats now dominating this test

I think your mates got too cocky Kriterion, underestimating Sri Lanka
Yeah. But thats not all. There are some systemic issues and some other less pernicious ones. I agree with the assessment that we should have targetted a 2-0 win in the Tests. We had also targetted 2-0 against Australia last year although we didn't get the result our way. Correct goal in my opinion.

However the actual effort behind that goal has been very poor all-around:

1) Poor selection - yes, you can't replace Shakib because you'd need 12 players in the XI. However picking SLAs like Sanjamul and Razzak were terrible moves. One SLA is enough. Go with another offie or better yet, try to find a wrist spinner. Of course we don't have a single specialist leg spinner in our entire domestic circuit anymore (shocking!). But that is because teams would rather pack SLAs into every squad. If you're not willing to take the risk, you won't get the reward.

But the worst move by a long shot was dropping a player with a FC average of 65 (Mosaddek) for a guy with a first class average of 35 (Sabbir) who was himself dropped the previous match. What changed between that 1 game? Absolute cluelessness.

2) Incompetent lower order batsman. This has been a problem for quite a while and in both formats of the game. In Tests it actually doesn't hurt you as badly but it NEVER hurts to have a #10 who can consistently give you 20 runs.

Our numbers 9 through 11 are by far the worst tail-end batters in world cricket. I haven't looked up the stats, but there is no fucking way anyone else even comes close. In fact, I'll dig the stats up right now:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

For guys with at least 10 innings batted, here are the tail order averages since 1 April 2015:

Woakes (ENG)- 26.75
Henry (NZ) - 22.00
Bishoo (WI) - 19.41
Herath (SL) - 18.79
Wood (ENG) - 18.10
Southee (NZ) - 16.81
Starc (AUS) - 16.53
Shami (IND) - 16.51

And from BD we have:

Taijul - 8.84
Taskin - 6.80
Mustafiz - 3.30

In that light, Miraz batting at 8 has been a godsend. Otherwise a specialist bowler would come in and average half to a third of what he does.

3) The pitches. This is the least important because whether pitches are flat, sporting, or minefields batsmen and bowlers have to learn to play on them. There shouldn't be excuses. In the end, the pitches all even out over time anyways. Its like complaining about a coin toss. You win some, you lose some.

Personally, I think this Mirpur wicket is a sporting one. I don't think its a rank turner. And kudos to the SL spinners for outbowling ours on these pitches. I thought BD entered this series with the superior batsmen, superior spinners, and superior seamers (with Shakib at least). But well on Hathu for getting his boys to throw egg on my face.
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Well, they have got a gem of a test cricketer in Roshen Silva. Not sure where they were hiding him all these years. Calm and assured - right from his first match vs India at Delhi. With the exciting Dhananjaya de Silva (another guy with a calm approach) and the finally-back-to-form Mendis, these 3 form an exciting core for SL for years to come. If Chandimal can hold them togehter and Samarawickrama mellows down a bit and channels his oodles of talent properly, this is looking good for SL.

As for this test match - that 30 by Dilruwan and 20 by Akila Dhananjaya in the first dig turning out to be massively influential.

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CrimsonAvenger wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:36 am
Well, they have got a gem of a test cricketer in Roshen Silva. Not sure where they were hiding him all these years. Calm and assured - right from his first match vs India at Delhi. With the exciting Dhananjaya de Silva (another guy with a calm approach) and the finally-back-to-form Mendis, these 3 form an exciting core for SL for years to come. If Chandimal can hold them togehter and Samarawickrama mellows down a bit and channels his oodles of talent properly, this is looking good for SL.

As for this test match - that 30 by Dilruwan and 20 by Akila Dhananjaya in the first dig turning out to be massively influential.
Yeah I must say SL have a pretty good core going with Mendis, Chandimal, Dhananjaya, and Roshen. Granted Roshen is quite old at 29 already. You also have Matthews. Lakmal, Sandakan, Chameera form a good bowling attack as well. They've got most of the pieces together. That tour of PAK in the UAE might be the turning point for them.

Absolute crap dished out by the BD spinners though. Miraz has bowled well but Taijul and Razzak bowling like bitches.
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