Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by Mueddie28 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:33 am

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Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:11 am
This arrogant Pakistai must go back home. He is unfit to don Zimbabwe colours.

Imagine Tahir behaving like this in SA, or Khawaja/Fawad Ahmed behaving like this in Australia. The fans, media and former players would crucify them!

Even KP who is white and effectively European, but born in Africa, was not spared for mere idle talk and banter which leaked. Heck even the great AB is widely despised in SA now for such arrogance.

This guy is overprivileged and entitled. The Taibus, Hamis, Eltons, Utseyas and Matsis were slaying much greater bowlers and winning long before he arrived in Zimbabwe, and it will continue to be the case long after he leaves.

And let no one tell me they would tolerate such talk from a naturalised player, whatever the reason, because that would be a lie!

The mere fact that ZC have stood by Hami simply sends one message to Raza - If he is really principled then he must leave for good and not wait for Hami's absence in the next tour!

He was suspended before for ignoring a NOC, and now this. Plus insulted the same ICC he went to beg to expecting them to even listen to him. This man is a problem, and it's embarassing to think he was ever given the honour to captain the side.

You tolerate nonsense in Zimbabwe!
I support Raza for speaking out...This omission is to please Hamilton and his old ass into retirement. ..
Raza is we support u and just bear this nonsense and move on. ..Raza and Sean are 2of the best all rounders in Zimbabwe cricket right now. .

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by encore » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:17 am

Mueddie28 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:33 am
I support Raza for speaking out...This omission is to please Hamilton and his old ass into retirement. ..
Raza is we support u and just bear this nonsense and move on. ..Raza and Sean are 2of the best all rounders in Zimbabwe cricket right now. .
Is that best better than Ireland and Netherlands B?

Becasue I know that allrounders Madziva, Jongwe and Chisoro definitely are. And the UAE will agree becasue they saw evidence of that first hand.

Let's be realistic. Williams and Raza are not allrounders. They are average batsmen who can bowl. In their bowling, Raza and Williams average 49+38 and 45+46 in Tests+ODIs respectively. Which is pathetic in ODIs considering the calibre of opposition they have been facing. In fact their averages were almost double that when they were facing B and C sides from NZ, WI, SL, SA, IND and Pakistan before then. Because they have been decent bats and their bowling tolerable against lower opposition doesn;t mean it's a gamble that has not hurt Zimbabwe just as I consistently argued - lost CWC qualification, and now whipping boys for even Ireland and Netherlands at 'full strength'. They must bat higher as specialist batsmen with proper bowlers and allroudners picked! There are plenty Mashinges, Madzivas, Jongwes, Chisoros etc.

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by zimbos_05 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:10 pm

You really need to stop speaking about other countries like you know, because you do not and you just end up sounding more stupid than you actually portray yourself.

Kahwaja and Fawad Ahmed did not even have to speak out and were ridiculed in the media and every other avenue. The case of AB was again proven to be one of him not demanding to come back, but CSA asking him.

Players speak out all the time in other countries, the difference is that those team and administration actually know what they are doing. Zim's just thinks that they are the bees knees and carries on like some sort of King, when the reality is that it is not.

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by Googly » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:25 am

The knives are out for Raza. Sibanda and The Herald are back in full voice so it’s clear that ZC are firmly entrenched again and they’re doing their master’s bidding. They’re accusing him of having aspirations to be captain and that’s ZC’s way of saying it ain’t gonna happen you’ve been a bad boy and wind your neck in.
They’re hoping to subjugate him so he tows the line, I think he’s got less options than we thought or he’d be gone by now. They had gone quiet for a while when everything was up in the air. I see Liam Brickhill had a dip at Sibanda on Twitter, but stopped short of saying it as it is, he let others do that for him, a true Zimbabwean :lol:

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by jaybro » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:08 am

encore wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:17 am


Let's be realistic. Williams and Raza are not allrounders. They are average batsmen who can bowl. In their bowling, Raza and Williams average 49+38 and 45+46 in Tests+ODIs respectively. ty
Both better ODI bowlers than Prosper Utseya

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by zimbos_05 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:20 am

Melhuli always hides behind the 'journalism code' but if he really followed it, he would know that a Journalist is meant to verify the information he is told. He needs to at least ask for a comment from the person in question and seek to verify that the information is true.

The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head. There is nothing of integrity in his dealings as a journalist.

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by encore » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:27 pm

zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:20 am
The other not so surprising thing is that Melhuli is on the board at Bulawayo Met and has a say in who is on the ZC board. He was one of the people who voted to ignore the SRC request to delay the board meeting and obviously he has a big stake in Mukhulani being at the head.
This is one of the things that I find disturbing.

You were one of the people who rubbished a lot of what I said about the ZC-SRC-Coventry saga, and the Interim Board. One of the things that I pointed out was that the Interim Board would not be able to achieve it's objections and make changes at will because there is actually a structure from grassroots right up to the board. I also argued that none of the potential compromises towards reinstatement would happen easily for the same reason. This was all overlooked. And yet you know this logical information intimately.

Who is more dishonest or rather more in denial? ZCF fans or ZC?
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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by zimbos_05 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:59 am

encore wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:27 pm
This is one of the things that I find disturbing.

You were one of the people who rubbished a lot of what I said about the ZC-SRC-Coventry saga, and the Interim Board. One of the things that I pointed out was that the Interim Board would not be able to achieve it's objections and make changes at will because there is actually a structure from grassroots right up to the board. I also argued that none of the potential compromises towards reinstatement would happen easily for the same reason. This was all overlooked. And yet you know this logical information intimately.

Who is more dishonest or rather more in denial? ZCF fans or ZC?
There is no structure within ZC. Mukhulani himself has admitted this.

The only reason no changes would have happened is because individuals know they are at fault and would be held accountable, thus losing their undeserved places, which is exactly what happened, not because of a supposed structure that exists.

Once ZC is dissolved, all the other boards below them become irrelevant too. I can understand how logic is something you fail to comprehend, but surely you can understand the simple concept that played out here.

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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by encore » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:18 am

zimbos_05 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:59 am
Once ZC is dissolved, all the other boards below them become irrelevant too. I can understand how logic is something you fail to comprehend, but surely you can understand the simple concept that played out here.
You actually thought about this... then wrote it.

Mindblowing :!: :shock: :? :roll:
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Re: Raza out of Zimbabwe's Bangladesh tour on disciplinary grounds

Post by zimbos_05 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:16 pm

encore wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:18 am
[You actually thought about this... then wrote it.

Mindblowing :!: :shock: :? :roll:
Shock horror that someone who has actually worked in sport and sport adminstration has an idea of how proper sporting organisations should, and do, function.


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