Were Brendan Taylor and Kyle Jarvis worth it?

[jaybro]

You won’t find any sporting team apart from maybe the North Korean Football side where every player earns the same

Stupid comment from a stupid man

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LOWLY* SIDES Since October 2017 Taylor and Jarvis return:

ODIs:
BATTING (Countless batsmen have outbatted Taylor, Including Sean Williams, Balbirnie, Stirling & McLeod)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting
BOWLING(Chatara outbowled Jarvis. As did Mustafizur, Naveed, Rankin and Murtagh)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling
T20Is:
BATTING (Taylor has been pathetic in T20s. Only thing keeping him in the XI are the even more woeful contenders. Not even worth a mention against most of the batsmen. A joke to think he still goes into T20 League Auctions. In ZIM, Mire and Craig comfortably ahead of him.)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting
BOWLING (Chatara has again outbowled Jarvis, and in every department. But he has also outbowled every other seamer in this class as well including Mustafizur.)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling
IN TESTS:
Hamilton Masakadza has outbatted Taylor, and Chatara arguably outbowled Jarvis in the much fewer overs he got due to injury(In the only pace-friendly conditions ZIM had in PE, it was Mpofu who got Amla and AB, plus Cremer got QdK).

Pointless to go to Overall team WIN-LOSS Ratios, because we all know their presence hasn't advanced ZIM National team fortunes - and that at a time when ZIM XIs are considered to have been generally at their strongest since the rebels era. ZIM team performances have actually gone backwards and been a huge embarrassment since their return.

For all intents and purposes, Brendan Taylor and Kyle Jarvis have well and truly been loads and loads of money down the drain. A complete disaster! No objective and factual analysis can yield any different answer. I know many are either stubborn or tempted to feel otherwise because of sentiment, but these are the cold hard facts.

Neither Jarvis nor Taylor will be able to look at their output and try to sanitise their performances since their return. No shadow biographer or Cricinfo/Cricbuzz journalist will be willing or able to sanitise their value for money arguments since they returned. And you can be rest assured that any opponents of Mukhuhlani, Heath Streak and Faisal Hasnain will gladly use thie against them when a need arises.

CONCLUSION: Taylor and Jarvis should never have returned. Jarvis in particular considering ZIM were clearly not going to play many Tests. Taylor on the other hand can at least find solace in the fact that his poor returns have rather been a surprise as opposed to an expectation. But for both of them, the amounts of money they have earned mean they cannot be excused in any way whatsoever.

*NB: No disprespect to BD because they are anything but low (or Afghanistan for that matter in some ways). But despite their progress, most of the lowly sides didn't play often against SL & WI, hence their exclusion. On the other hand, ZIM, AFG, IRE & BD have played each other a lot, as have SCO, NED & UAE against ZIM, IRE & AFG, so more head-to-head comparisons for players as well.

[jaybro]

Since their return

Most runs in ODIs

Brendan Taylor

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

Interestingly the ‘hack’ Raza is second on the list & the ‘minnow basher/ dead rubber specialist’ Williams is third with a very good average.

In Tests BT is second just behind Hamilton

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

Interestingly both of Taylor’s hundreds were overseas, despite the fact he apparently ‘can’t ever be relied on to score runs overseas’

Also in Tests the leading wicket taker is of course Kyle Jarvis with 16 pegs @ under 20, despite 3 of his 4 tests being played in spin friendly conditions

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

Bowling wise in ODIs Jarvis is second only behind Chatara, although their numbers are almost identical looking at their average, economy & strike rate

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

So yes the numbers would suggest it has been worth bringing these guys back because they’re leading the way on the scorecards.

As always stats are facts

[ZIMDOGGY]

Yo uses things the opposite way round.
Rather than arguing BT and KJ should be being paid peanuts as some of their colleagues, you should be arguing the other players should be getting paid more closer to the guys.
Money will also attract the diaspora back.

BT is worth more to Zim that Elgar is to SA.
If Philander gets less than BT, that is the fault of the SA system.

The average NRL rugby league player is on about 220USD a year.
Suburban rugby league players get paid more than all these guys, just as perspective.

Do you even know what those guys get paid?

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In fact, Zimbabwe have regressed so badly since these two returned, that it on second thoughts it would simply be criminal to leave out the W/L ratios considering the calibre of opposition:

TEAM W/L RATIO IN THEIR ABSENCE
ODIs: 0.50 (Played-48, Won-15, Lost-30, Tied-1, NR-2)
T20s: 0.437(Played-23, Won-7, Lost-16, Tied-0, NR-0)
TEAM W/L RATIO IN THEIR PRESENCE
ODIs: 0.36 (Played-35, Won-9, Lost-25, Tied-1, NR-0)
T20s: 0.083 (Played-14, Won-1, Lost-12, Tied-1, NR- 0)
[Correct up to 15 September 2019]

BATTING IN THEIR ABSENCE:
ODIs:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting
T20Is:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting
BOWLING IN THEIR ABSENCE:
ODIs:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling
T20Is:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

[jaybro]

I wonder how it feels to wake everyday thinking of new ways to hate on people who have no idea who you even are

#pathetic #loser

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Yo uses things the opposite way round.
Rather than arguing BT and KJ should be being paid peanuts as some of their colleagues, you should be arguing the other players should be getting paid more closer to the guys.
Money will also attract the diaspora back.

BT is worth more to Zim that Elgar is to SA.
If Philander gets less than BT, that is the fault of the SA system.

The average NRL rugby league player is on about 220USD a year.
Suburban rugby league players get paid more than all these guys, just as perspective.

Do you even know what those guys get paid?

You're not responding with insults so that's a good start. Appreciated.

Zimbabwe players on contract already earn more than BD, IRE and AFG so I would not know how to respond to you while overlooking that major point. Part of my reason for including players from other lower nations was precisely to prove eg a Stirling/Ranking/Dockrell/Coetzer etc worth to their sides vs BT/KJ's supposed worth to Zimbabwe.

Some will argue likes of Nabi and Rashid earn more because of T20 Leagues, but where do personal earnings come in, and why should they have to subsidise the Board?

Elgar and Philander earn reasonably well. Surrey had to pay Morkel a lot to get him to join them. Rilee and Vilas would leave their Counties for KJ & BT money. There is nothing wrong with SA contracts system. If there was QdK and Rabada would have left a long time ago.

The problem is KJ & BT got a crazy amount of money. Period!

Yes I do know what they get paid. That is why I included Grant Flower's quote in the OP.

What are the salaries of Kane Williamson and Trent Boult? Get those and come back to me then we can have a proper BT-KJ discussion in relation to NRL and importance to team.

[Googly]

Well CSA have more money at their disposal so you’d think they’d try and get those guys back to strengthen their set up?
Have you seen the money leaking from your system? Mukhuhlani and Co must beat their breasts every day wishing “Oh Why can’t we be in charge of that!”

I know exactly how it works here-
They’d never let Rabada go. Whatever you think he’s getting I’ll guarantee there’s more brown envelope money because he’s the poster boy that keeps the masses believing in the bullshit of anything is possible, just let us run the show! He’s CSA’s Masakadza. Did nobody here join the dots why Hamilton in his prime never did a stint elsewhere? His contract looked nothing like what he really earned.
QDK is too stupid to leave, he’d get lost getting to the airport.

[jaybro]

Yes I do know what they get paid. That is why I included Grant Flower's quote in the OP.

And how do you know this ?

[Googly]

What everyone naively brought into was BT’s and KJ’s return was going to be the catalyst for our revival.
Would ZC have mended their ways had we qualified is the real question. That answer is a resounding no, nothing would have changed. They’ve proven that their only intention is to remain in situ and to keep bleeding the system until there’s nothing left.

The real question is why did players and staff not buy into the new ZC and SRC because they had the opportunity to turn this around all by themselves. When that is answered honestly we’ll have the real reason for our inexorable march towards oblivion.