3rd T20 | Zimbabwe V/s Pakistan | Rawalpindi

[sloandog]

Come and play for our club, there's 16k for a pro on the table

[ZIMDOGGY]

Come and play for our club, there's 16k for a pro on the table

You play for a club right?
Out of curiosity, what do you get out of that? Who pays for it and what's the point?

It's not like you get crowd revenue right ?

[zimfan1]

Come and play for our club, there's 16k for a pro on the table

You play for a club right?
Out of curiosity, what do you get out of that? Who pays for it and what's the point?

It's not like you get crowd revenue right ?

You pay your pro 16k? When I played for a club in the Themes Valley League we paid our pro 7k and that was for a first class cricketer near London.

If you play Diplock 16k you could have got an international cricketer for that.

[sloandog]

Come and play for our club, there's 16k for a pro on the table

You play for a club right?
Out of curiosity, what do you get out of that? Who pays for it and what's the point?

It's not like you get crowd revenue right ?

You pay your pro 16k? When I played for a club in the Themes Valley League we paid our pro 7k and that was for a first class cricketer near London.

If you play Diplock 16k you could have got an international cricketer for that.

The club I’ve moved to charges £1 entry. You get 300 watching on an average weekend and as you can imagine the bar games a lot (5-6K a weekend). Brandon was/is never going to be on that. We’re in discussions with Lizaard Williams from SA. Also been in contact with Tari, but he’s told me he’s signed with another club but would come next summer

[sloandog]

Also looking at Liam Banks

[jaybro]

Also looking at Liam Banks

How much say do you have in the recruitment Sloan?

[zimbos_05]

Ricky Ponting was a great player, loads of natural talent and is a great coach

Prosper Utseya, very limited cricketer but was able to compete on his tactical ability. I don’t see anyone giving him credit as a coach?

Ricky was a thinker. You could see it from day 1. He had captain experience too and as a player he was always thinking about not just the current ball, but the next ball and maybe even the next five overs. He was shrewd and smart and very tactical. He would focus on little nuances such as batting stance and form and that bodes well for a future coach.

I'm not too familiar with Prosper as a coach, but what has he achieved as a coach?

My view is that Elton has an opportunity to be a good coach and prove me wrong. Thats the beauty of opinion, it can be proven wrong. What makes me think he wont is what I saw on the field. He wasn't exactly a thinker. He was very basic as a captain and often got it wrong. He never really analysed the game very well when he would be spoken to after. I don't think he has the ability to see the game in finer detail and pick up on something like a batsman with a wrong stance or a bowler who could fix their run up.

[jaybro]

Ricky Ponting was a great player, loads of natural talent and is a great coach

Prosper Utseya, very limited cricketer but was able to compete on his tactical ability. I don’t see anyone giving him credit as a coach?

Ricky was a thinker. You could see it from day 1. He had captain experience too and as a player he was always thinking about not just the current ball, but the next ball and maybe even the next five overs. He was shrewd and smart and very tactical. He would focus on little nuances such as batting stance and form and that bodes well for a future coach.

I'm not too familiar with Prosper as a coach, but what has he achieved as a coach?

My view is that Elton has an opportunity to be a good coach and prove me wrong. Thats the beauty of opinion, it can be proven wrong. What makes me think he wont is what I saw on the field. He wasn't exactly a thinker. He was very basic as a captain and often got it wrong. He never really analysed the game very well when he would be spoken to after. I don't think he has the ability to see the game in finer detail and pick up on something like a batsman with a wrong stance or a bowler who could fix their run up.

My point about Ponting & Utseya is that according to the Dogg’s comment is that players that lack natural talent make better coaches. I’ve used those two guys as case in point, Ponting had all the natural talent a player could dream of and he’s a great coach.

Utseya is exactly the player Dogg described, yet when his name got mentioned as a coach everyone groaned and reverted to the same tune you’re singing now about Elton “boys club job”

I’ll leave this debate here with my initial point, that it’s impossible to know if a player will become a good coach from our POV. Why don’t you just wait and see how he goes before making judgement as you said.

[jaybro]

Regarding Elton as a captain my biggest gripe with him was that he didn’t take the ‘lead by example’ model as a captain. He should have moved himself up the order and bowled himself more often, instead he mostly played as a non-bowling No.7 batsman.

As for his tactics on field I don’t think he was any worse than the likes of BT, Cremer & Utseya. Zimbabwe won as many games against decent opposition under Elton as they did under those guys including wins over Australia, Pakistan, New Zealand & Windies.

BT was a great lead by example type captain but he didn’t really have the tactical game I think some people like to think he did. Cremer was a good captain but he too made some bad errors and lacked trust in his bowlers, often over bowling himself & part time spinners like Willy & Raza. The best example of this was the Test v Sri Lanka.

Utseya despite all the horrible things I’ve said about him was a good captain, his field placings and bowling changes were very good, he did have Ray Price as an on field advisor which no doubt helped.

But in the end of the day a captain can only work with the bowlers he has, I’m sure even Ponting or Vaughan would struggle to win regularly with the bowling attacks Zimbabwe have had.

[eugene]

Another concluded Zimbabwean cricket series where I am not sure if it was better to have the team actually playing cricket or just sitting on the sidelines - at least from an enjoyment perspective. We really are terrible at T20 cricket.