#ZCBOARD MUST GO

[zimbos_05]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.herald ... r-off/amp/

When did the SRC suspend ZC? Thats when you will find out that salaries stopped coming. Dont you remember the ladies not touring Europe and players not being paid? That happened when they got suspended. I'm not an idiot . You need to pay attention more instead of just lashing out. As a journalist yourself you know how important getting the facts right is. If you say they hadnt been paid their may salaries too then we can start from there.

Let's be honest, the Herald is not exactly a source of reliable and truthful info. In saying that, the men were not paid for two months before they went on tour. ZC could still have given the money that was meant to have been put aside for the womens tour to the interim board and allowed the tour to go ahead without any issues.

The funding issue was not caused by the SRC. A tour does not all of a sudden lose money if it has been in the works for months. I have worked in sport and sport administration for too long to know all this.

Don't forget the countless others times in the past where players and staff have not been paid under a ZC board. Damn domestic guys are getting $10 a day and not even getting food.

Lawyer or no lawyer, 'being paid late' and 'not being paid at all' are two VERY different things.

Let's hypothetically say you work for a company. They constantly pay you late and in some instances you have to go months without a salary. They also promote someone else ahead of you despite you having the skills and experience, but the other guy got it because he rubbed the bosses knob. Another company comes up to you and offers you a job. They promise better working conditions at the position you want and most importantly, they guarantee to pay you on time all the time.

Do you stick with your current company or do you take the new job offer.

[encore]

2. Just hand it back and tell these people never to bother SRC again, and for a bit of spite withdraw the ZAMCO assistance.

The Zimbabwe government have lost external assets over the farmers-land class action issue. That Brit/SA passport counts for something.

Whatmore was paid I believe. Simmons was kind to not get the ICC involved regarding his salary. Streak is Zimbabwean so had no legal means. But that foreign soccer coach was able to block Zimbabwe's participation in the World Cup until he was/is paid.

ICC won't hesitate to take the legal route against Zimbabwean government for reneging on an agreement.

What do you think would happen if the Government guarantees loan/issues bonds towards loans for eg a power plant, then doesn't pay? Your economy would turn into junk very fast...but let's not think too much technically in ZIM's case on this one. But focus on what the ECB is doing to some EU countries. They're bascially controlling their sovereignty and resources.

You think China have taken over ports and other key points in African countries because they were bullying them? No! They failed to pay.

Anyway, that was a very misguided view and elementary mistake to make Googly. The general lack of focus among the anti-ZC lot is clearly seen in the SRC-Interim Board as well. You guys were never prepared or serious. Very clumsy and careless. Frightening to think Zimbabwe may move from Full Member to lowly Associate over such miserably uncoordinated actions.

[sam_ahm]

Didn't the SRC openly said that Tey are open to dialogue? And ZC had earlier written to SRC that they would like to talk and settle issues?

So what else are both parties waiting for? Can't they discuss and come to some agreement NOW?

[jimmylesaint]

Googly wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:48 am
2. Just hand it back and tell these people never to bother SRC again, and for a bit of spite withdraw the ZAMCO assistance.

The Zimbabwe government have lost external assets over the farmers-land class action issue. That Brit/SA passport counts for something.

Whatmore was paid I believe. Simmons was kind to not get the ICC involved regarding his salary. Streak is Zimbabwean so had no legal means. But that foreign soccer coach was able to block Zimbabwe's participation in the World Cup until he was/is paid.

ICC won't hesitate to take the legal route against Zimbabwean government for reneging on an agreement.

What do you think would happen if the Government guarantees loan/issues bonds towards loans for eg a power plant, then doesn't pay? Your economy would turn into junk very fast...but let's not think too much technically in ZIM's case on this one. But focus on what the ECB is doing to some EU countries. They're bascially controlling their sovereignty and resources.

You think China have taken over ports and other key points in African countries because they were bullying them? No! They failed to pay.

Anyway, that was a very misguided view and elementary mistake to make Googly. The general lack of focus among the anti-ZC lot is clearly seen in the SRC-Interim Board as well. You guys were never prepared or serious. Very clumsy and careless. Frightening to think Zimbabwe may move from Full Member to lowly Associate over such miserably uncoordinated actions.

Terry Waite was held captive chained to a radiator for 4 years in solitary confinement and his own excrement he was grateful to his captors. Stockholm syndrome which can take only days to cement is a psychological condition based on survival. A condition where the victims are thankful to their captives for their continued existence and any crumb including $1 a day. They genuinely believe their gatekeepers are gods and don't like logic, reasoning and real authorities to break the bond of survival they have.
Get yourself checked

[Zimco]

Last night I was sent a doc of a list of players and staff that were sueing SRC for wages.

As predicted

Also, on what grounds can they sue SRC for wages? I'm no lawyer but my basic understanding of it says they have none. They were being unpaid before SRC. The records and files show this.

Lawyer or no lawyer, 'being paid late' and 'not being paid at all' are two VERY different things.

They know they wont win. Its all about perception. PR guys. Its to put pressure on Kirsty Coventry to act. Dont forget she is still accouantable to GVT. Every week they will be requiring an update at cabinet meetings. The issue with football hasnt helped either. She will be forced to act on 1 of those issues to save her own skin and cricket is the easier fix.

Finally the SRC dont have money. That is why people didnt bother ptiching up for that meeting. They know they will be offered peanuts compared to what Mukuhlani can pay them. As much as there might be mismanagement at the top they could still pay better salaries than the SRC

Please clarify. Are you saying the staff won't win. or referring to something else?

1. Mnangagwa won't fire Coventry!
2. Yes, Coventry won't be able to able to solve soccer.
3. Cricket decision is in ICC hands not hers.
4. Government itself has never been able to save soccer - this dates back to the late 80s. So IF they do decide Cricket must be saved, they won't tell SRC Board to step back because they will risk losing the moral upperhand due to mass resignations that will inevitably follow. They will outrightly dissolve SRC Board and Interim ZC Board - all in the Sports Ministry's name, and Coventry will resign not too long after that.
5. Except Coventry won't say she's resigning because she was against the fact things were being done in her name. Nor will she point fingers as if to say SRC/Interim ZC guys let her down. She knows she messed up, and knows fully well about the conflicts of interest she blindly sucked herself into, plus knows the majority of male and women domestic and national players(worst of all the Captains), plus support staff(from Admin to Groundstaff, umpires etc) do not support the Interim Board. Not to mention the mighty ICC - with an ENG, AUS, NZ & SA voice rejected the whole thing. Basically she'll just go quietly and claim she was overwhelmed in general to avoid upsetting anyone she might later need.
6. Mlotshwa will continue to make noise, and all of Coventry, DEB and VH will just keep quiet to maintain their dignity. Only he will lose his integrity over this.

On the Finances part yes. Minor msmanagement aside, ZC have been among the best paying employers in ZIM all things considered. SRC would never manage those salaries.

Finally, it's false for Googly and Zimbo to say Zc was overstaffed or employees overpaid, or argue that those people are not needed. It's on record that Faisal Hasnain oversaw mass retrenchments and restructuring before ICC could agree to a deal with ZC. Even Provincial sides' players and management's salaries and allowances were cut. Plus the agreement with ICC was that they would continue to monitor if those agreements are being kept. Let's please stick to fact on this subject. This is well documented!

“The ZC is one of the best employers in Zim”. Where do you think ZC gets its money from Encore?

[jimmylesaint]

“The ZC is one of the best employers in Zim”. Where do you think ZC gets its money from Encore?

Oh my! Zimco nails it in one line

[eugene]

The ICC should be ashamed of themselves, by sticking with the corrupt ZC board they are condemning Zimbabwean cricket to death. They have turned their backs on well-known cricket administrators with upstanding records like Dave Ellman-Brown and Vince Hogg and instead continued to entrust the game to thieves who have brought the game to its knees. The game has no chance for some sort of organic recovery either, the country is a basket-case and completely non-functional. It may be time to not only remove the ZC board but also the ICC board.

[Boundary]

The ICC should be ashamed of themselves, by sticking with the corrupt ZC board they are condemning Zimbabwean cricket to death. They have turned their backs on well-known cricket administrators with upstanding records like Dave Ellman-Brown and Vince Hogg and instead continued to entrust the game to thieves who have brought the game to its knees. The game has no chance for some sort of organic recovery either, the country is a basket-case and completely non-functional. It may be time to not only remove the ZC board but also the ICC board.

This sounds harsh but it's time wean ourselves of ICC's money addiction. Yes I said it. That money comes with strings. If we had our own resources, then the ICC money becomes supplementary, not life and death situation as it is now.

Let me start with the worst case scenario, let's say ICC suspends us indefinitely. A lot of the greedy people will leave, the interim board and true cricket lovers will have to start from scratch. Start with club cricket, organise national or provincial club leagues, work with volunteers, and build from ground up. With our legacy, this won't take a decade like the 80's, it'll be a lot shorter. A vibrant club game leads to a provincial national league with the Logan Cup and a T20 cash cow league. Regular bilateral series then show that we belong to the ICC test and one day leagues. ICC then starts to look badly. The new leadership at ICC reinstates us in about 5 years' time or so.

The more realistic scenario is already playing out:
https://www.herald.co.zw/mlotshwa-mukuhlani-meet/

Mukuhlani and Mlotshwa are already meeting under the auspices of Coventry. Apparently, there's a clause in the ICC constitution that allows gvt interference if the member association requests it. This is why SRC was waiting for the suspended board to request the meeting first, which they seemingly did. So some kind of compromise will be reached, ICC will be forced to endorse it and the suspension will be lifted in Oct. The compromise will be hard to reach but everyone has played their cards. I believe SRC will stick to their guns - the law is on their side - but Mukuhlani's ace card (ICC money and registration) is very hard to overlook. So the compromise probably looks like this: the interim board stays but for a considerably shorter period, perhaps 6 months but more like 3, then elections will be held for a new substantive board. Mukuhlani will like his chances. But the interim board and their CEO Hogg will make so many substantial changes in a very short space of time, most of them so good for cricket that Mukuhlani's new board will effectively be bound by them. On top of that, an empowered SRC will push for a new forensic audit. Mukuhlani's board will then fall under immense pressure from there onwards that they will wonder why they played their ace card so prematurely.

[zimbos_05]

At this point I'm drained and just want the best resolution for the game. Hopefully ZC can see this and do the right thing.

[TapsC]

Negotiations are good. I just hope in those discussions they make sure BT and Raza dont become scapegoats. We need them. Although I dont know if they will want to play anymore. They took a big risk. A risk they knew could end their careers so they must have been willing to stop playing. This is a job after all. You dont have to like everybody at your workplace.