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[Conant]

Murray Goodwin, Travis Friend, James Cameron, Sean Ervine, ANDY BLIGNAUT... #sigh#. Sometimes the hhms are needed to knock some sense into this forum. Didn't you see in the first Stanbic T20 that Andy Blignaut was unfit? Precisely what value is this demi god, who has crocked repeatedly with injuries even in his glory days, supposed to bring into cricket, at any level? Strike bowler for the national team? Team all-rounder? Batter?

Get over yourselves people: Vitori, Mpofu, Jarvis, Chatara and Shingi are the future; no collective amount of this so called experience whatsoever can surpass or even equal the potential that these players have. Travis Friend doesn’t even play cricket!!

Of these players perhaps only Goodwin can offer some value but as a COACH as Grant Flower has (weren't we proved quickly wrong with that experiment of player) or maybe administrator if he has those skills. People, even Dave Houghton struggled to play up to 40 years.

What of the rest? Andy Blignaut cannot coach, the man was never bright. You may as well ask Sean Williams to captain the national team. Did I hear someone somewhere say Williams attended Harvard? This is laughable.

James Cameron, whose stats at county cricket are at best average average but most likely mediocre? Who in about six years of professional cricket has a highest list A score of 69? This at the same time we are irritated about and actively discussing the dropping of Elton Chigumbura?

ZCF has grown exponentially, which is wonderful, but its growth has been indirectly proportional to the quality of its posts. This is depressing. And when people people like zimdoggy attempt to belittle the achievements of Brian Vitori, you get the feeling many of us here are suffering from some extremely bad hang-ups

[ZIMDOGGY]

Hey easy there champ. I'm not belittling vitori at all, I think he's inspirational to the people of masvingo, coming from nothing rags to riches etc. I'm just putting it into perspective he's only played Bangladesh and people are putting pressure on him.

And Hhm of all people isn't going to knock sense into anything. I know you love the guy as you mention alot but his ideas and views are as left field as anyones, just written with big words.

[eugene]

Murray Goodwin, Travis Friend, James Cameron, Sean Ervine, ANDY BLIGNAUT... #sigh#. Sometimes the hhms are needed to knock some sense into this forum. Didn't you see in the first Stanbic T20 that Andy Blignaut was unfit? Precisely what value is this demi god, who has crocked repeatedly with injuries even in his glory days, supposed to bring into cricket, at any level? Strike bowler for the national team? Team all-rounder? Batter?

Get over yourselves people: Vitori, Mpofu, Jarvis, Chatara and Shingi are the future; no collective amount of this so called experience whatsoever can surpass or even equal the potential that these players have. Travis Friend doesn’t even play cricket!!

Of these players perhaps only Goodwin can offer some value but as a COACH as Grant Flower has (weren't we proved quickly wrong with that experiment of player) or maybe administrator if he has those skills. People, even Dave Houghton struggled to play up to 40 years.

What of the rest? Andy Blignaut cannot coach, the man was never bright. You may as well ask Sean Williams to captain the national team. Did I hear someone somewhere say Williams attended Harvard? This is laughable.

James Cameron, whose stats at county cricket are at best average average but most likely mediocre? Who in about six years of professional cricket has a highest list A score of 69? This at the same time we are irritated about and actively discussing the dropping of Elton Chigumbura?

ZCF has grown exponentially, which is wonderful, but its growth has been indirectly proportional to the quality of its posts. This is depressing. And when people people like zimdoggy attempt to belittle the achievements of Brian Vitori, you get the feeling many of us here are suffering from some extremely bad hang-ups

I do wonder how closely anyone follows cricket when they are calling for the return of Travis Friend, Dougie Marillier, Andy Blignaut, etc,. None of these guys are interested in returning, nor should we want them back. Blignaut is finished as a cricketer, Travis Friend hasn't played in awhile and was never that good anyway. I would have no problem with James Cameron returning to the Zimbabwean setup through domestic cricket - if he is as good as some think he will show it (I seriously doubt he is good enough for anything more than domestic cricket).

[andyflower]

Well, as long as the team continues to perform well and racks up solid victories against Pakistan and New Zealand, I think we will see some of these player problems and financial issues sort themselves out with time.

Even as things stand, Zimbabwe seems to have good player depth, at least compared to Bangladesh. We can afford to rest a great player like Price for a newcomer like Jarvis, who played really well, and still win.

[Shasha]

(Murray Goodwin,Travis Friend,Andy Bliggz,James Cameron): Are these guys expected to be playing / being within 'ZC' affairs?

[Zimfanatic69]

I do wonder how closely anyone follows cricket when they are calling for the return of Travis Friend, Dougie Marillier, Andy Blignaut, etc,. None of these guys are interested in returning, nor should we want them back. Blignaut is finished as a cricketer, Travis Friend hasn't played in awhile and was never that good anyway. I would have no problem with James Cameron returning to the Zimbabwean setup through domestic cricket - if he is as good as some think he will show it (I seriously doubt he is good enough for anything more than domestic cricket).

Well said. Travis Friend, waste of time. He is a pilot now. He is not coming back. If he was up to much he would have had a succesful career when he walked out. Same goes for Blobnaut.

[sloandog]

Same goes for Blobnaut.

I disagree. Blignaut was a very valuable player for Zimbabwe. He provided some late power hitting, he could field anywhere, and more importantly he could bowl sharp and take wickets. These are some of the things Travis Friend just couldn't do, and i still stand by what I've always said, that he was simply over-rated...

[Conant]

Too bad he is not here to defend himself, but he was not knowledgeable about cricket as he might have claimed, and got some of his analyses horribly wrong. I was his very first. And possibly his biggest detractor on this very forum, and he acknowledges thus, and who till the very last moment denied Vitori's worth in the side on inexperience while actively campaigning for a hardly more experienced Keegan Meth . I have failed to understand his call for Gavin Ewing to be in this Test side as a batsman.

But at least he would have the words to articulate the distaste some of us feel and spot on this forum zimdoggy.

No, it is not about hhm, zimdoggy. It is about you. And it is not even about your humour or your lame attempts to laugh your prejudices off.

Sometimes it can be tolerated, like when you imply the Mountaineers must be rid of, for
whatever reason. Sometimes, it is bare, and cannot be ignored. I expect Maehara might lock this. Too bad, I don't shy away from what must be said, even though I and we are not perfect ourselves.

I do not blame you. Possibly you're not even aware of. It is not your fault, but it just seems so lackadaisical, and deliberately insensitive, and it is repeated time and time again.

[ZIMDOGGY]

I can articulate as well as the next guy.
I could pretty much prove that in one stroke, but- call me crazy, I don't feel the need to articulate or enunciate or any other big word like that as it is a little out of place and non user friendly on a zimbabwe cricket forum.

This is a place where we talk about Sean ervine, a place we talk about who's the more God-like between matsi and Meth and whether a guy named Keith should ever play international cricket again.

Granted, a long read is fun as well and that's what HHM is good for but that doesn't mean we should all be Hhm and to hold him a pinnacle of how everyone has to be is misguided.

See every forum member here contributes a different personality.

Bauhaus with his conspiracies, Eugene with his sharp sarcasm and wit, me for my craziness and sex appeal with the women, brmtaylor for his pre and post match wrap, i could go on.

But don't call my intellect into question again.

Or do...whatever..

[eugene]

I can articulate as well as the next guy.
I could pretty much prove that in one stroke, but- call me crazy, I don't feel the need to articulate or enunciate or any other big word like that as it is a little out of place and non user friendly on a zimbabwe cricket forum.

This is a place where we talk about Sean ervine, a place we talk about who's the more God-like between matsi and Meth and whether a guy named Keith should ever play international cricket again.

Granted, a long read is fun as well and that's what HHM is good for but that doesn't mean we should all be Hhm and to hold him a pinnacle of how everyone has to be is misguided.

See every forum member here contributes a different personality.

Bauhaus with his conspiracies, Eugene with his sharp sarcasm and wit, me for my craziness and sex appeal with the women, brmtaylor for his pre and post match wrap, i could go on.

But don't call my intellect into question again.

Or do...whatever..

Well articulated!