Zimbabwe Cricket Awards (28/11/2011)

[FlowerPower]

Congradulations to the winners well deserved. The Meth story continues...justly named bowler of the year. Has been unfairly treated? Id say we are not being fair on the selectors. Except Bangladesh Test Id say all else has been consistant. He has had chances in ODI and hardly did better than Vitori who broke WRs or Ncube who took 3 on debut. Got injured at the end of the Bangladesh series...ruling him out of Pakistan...played himself out of a test spot against NZ by going for 85/0 where Ncube was fortunate to walk off with 3 had he taken the chance in Vitori's absence..then it could've been different...look its going to be tough Vitori Jarvis and Mpofu are the incumbents and until they fail (not one spell hhm, but fail say four innings in a row) he will have to bide his time...note he is a quality swing bowler but the boat is full. His turn will come lets not chop and change.

Waller regressing? Ervine progressing? Agree with the latter but shocked with the former. Sure you arent basing that regression on the 2 T20 knocks...surely not...

[hhm]

Waller regressing? Ervine progressing? Agree with the latter but shocked with the former. Sure you arent basing that regression on the 2 T20 knocks...surely not...

No only the recent T20s, but he did poorly against a Meth-less, 50%-Mpofu bowling attack of the Tuskers, with Ncube(whom I do not rate) getting him twice! I've always said a full strength Tuskers are as good as our national side, if not better! As with Vitori&Jarvis, it would be foolish to ignore that fact that he completely failed against a vastly superior Pakistan, so I am still to be convinced! Against top batsmen or bowlers is where true quality sets itself apart - that you cannot deny! All the more reason why Brendan's double failure against Ajmal in similar fashion, should always be taken into acocunt when rating him....

[betterdays]

As with Vitori&Jarvis, it would be foolish to ignore that fact that he completely failed against a vastly superior Pakistan, so I am still to be convinced! Against top batsmen or bowlers is where true quality sets itself apart - that you cannot deny!

I think the wicket has to be taken into account too...and Bulawayo didn't suit Vitori - just as UAE didn't suit Steyn against Pakistan. maybe a slightly contrived comparison but wickets can account for some failure and these kids are three tests into their careers. Still, Meth should and would feel very aggreived not to get a pick in NZ

[hhm]

As with Vitori&Jarvis, it would be foolish to ignore that fact that he completely failed against a vastly superior Pakistan, so I am still to be convinced! Against top batsmen or bowlers is where true quality sets itself apart - that you cannot deny!

I think the wicket has to be taken into account too...and Bulawayo didn't suit Vitori - just as UAE didn't suit Steyn against Pakistan. maybe a slightly contrived comparison but wickets can account for some failure and these kids are three tests into their careers. Still, Meth should and would feel very aggreived not to get a pick in NZ

To liken the Dubai pitch for that Test match, to the one at Queens is criminal my friend! Queens can never be in that state. Bottomline is Vitori was too expensive for this level and poor allround in that match! I'll take the 'kids' excuse, but not the pitch story. Junaid Khan did rather well on his debut and went on to do even better at the same Dubai pitch Steyn supposedly struggled on!

[betterdays]

To liken the Dubai pitch for that Test match, to the one at Queens is criminal my friend! Queens can never be in that state. Bottomline is Vitori was too expensive for this level and poor allround in that match! I'll take the 'kids' excuse, but not the pitch story. Junaid Khan did rather well on his debut and went on to do even better at the same Dubai pitch Steyn supposedly struggled on!

contrived more than criminal - and i admitted that! It wasn't a similarity in the state of pitches but rather that some pitches seem to have runs in them and even the best can't stop that - pitches influence selection ... the pitch in B'yo had runs...

Khan didn't do that well (from memory) in B'yo - Cheema (8 wickets - 4 in each innings: in the first innings 3 were our numbers 9, 10 and 11 and the second innings exposed Zim's bats nerves and inexperience which his bowling aided no end) and the two spinners took the wickets ( much like our two spinners and Jarvis).

there's no 'supposedly' in that statement - steyn struggled in that tour and afterwards 'blamed' the pitches

[hhm]

Khan didn't do that well (from memory) in B'yo.......there's no 'supposedly' in that statement - steyn struggled in that tour and afterwards 'blamed' the pitches

In fairness you did acknowledge the skewed comparison - so pardon me for that, but you wern't overly suprised

Junaid Khan bowled 29 overs(most by their seamers) for 55 runs at 1.89 against our batsmen. Such a young man on debut in an africn country with on a trying pitch, in his first innings - he bowled tighter than all his far more experienced counterparts - spinners included! What game were you watching? He seriously troubled every one of our batsmen who faced him! My friend the young man bowled extremely well! Jarivs&Vitori combined didn;t bowl half as well as he did! All the more reason why he was thrown straight into the first Test against Mahela, Sanga, Dilshan&Co!! We should be thankful there wasn't a second Test match against us!

Unfortunately I actually subjected myself to the pain of watching the majority of that SA Test series against Pakistan. Steyn didn't get the wickets in the first macth but he was on top of their batsmen. If my memory serves me well, Hafeez's naturally agressive self put an early dent, but Steyn can count himself unfortunate to have not gotten at least 3 wickets in each innings!

[betterdays]

Junaid Khan bowled 29 overs(most by their seamers) for 55 runs at 1.89 against our batsmen. Such a young man on debut in an africn country with on a trying pitch, in his first innings - he bowled tighter than all his far more experienced counterparts - spinners included!


What game were you watching?!

The same one where Hammie's figures were even better than the ones above.

Unfortunately I actually subjected myself to the pain of watching the majority of that SA Test series against Pakistan. Steyn didn't get the wickets in the first macth but he was on top of their batsmen. If my memory serves me well, Hafeez's naturally agressive self put an early dent, but Steyn can count himself unfortunate to have not gotten at least 3 wickets in each innings!

I tortured myself too, till I nodded off. It was a pitch where the aggressive batsman would get away with it 8/10. He did bowl well though - no doubt at all - more's my point, sometimes there are no wickets in the pitch and he said as much afterwards (which he wouldn't have had to if he felt he deserved a lot more wickets)

[hhm]

The same one where Hammie's figures were even better than the ones above.

sometimes there are no wickets in the pitch and he said as much afterwards (which he wouldn't have had to if he felt he deserved a lot more wickets)

True that!

[betterdays]

Vitori Jarvis and Mpofu are the incumbents and until they fail (not one spell hhm, but fail say four innings in a row)

Vitori may get the chance to fail in 5 innings in a row as he'd done so for the last three

I must say he did turn my head the other day in those two overs (and apparently a third) to the Tuskers' top order - would be interesting to see him again

[sloandog]

To be honest Hhm I think you're being incredibly stubborn innregards to Kyle Jarvis. Okay, he didn't come off against Pakistan onna flat deck, where nobody else came off either. However, if you're going to tell me that you're not convinced about Jarvis having seen his 5for spell against New Zealand, I think your analysing skills are very poor. He was the only reason why waller, taibu and Taylor gave us a chance of getting to that total. You're Arguments no longer have any substance against Jarvis in the test arena...