[Match Thread] Rocks vs Tuskers T20

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Re: [Match Thread] Rocks vs Tuskers T20

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Jemisi wrote:Jarvis swinging it both ways with an extra yard of pace is a good idea Hhm. So is Vitori gaining more consistency.
Shingi has been domestically consistent, but has to find his way to that internationally. Meth bowling quicker and retaining his swing would also be good. Question is which of these four needs is more likely to come about? If any?
- All Shingi needs is a good run in the side. Tell him you've got 5 ODI matches, or two Tests on the trot - toss him the new ball as was done to Brian&Kyle(ahead of Mpofu) and he'll do what he does for the Goats at international level. After all, the only way for him to translate that internationally is to play more - and he hasn't been selected enough. He's the most likely to produce because he's a complete seamer - pace, swing(limited), stamina, variety, experience etc. Quite remarkable when you consider that he's a late starter.
- Vitori can gain consistency, but I doubt he'll have the stamina required to have consistent spells over a Test match. He'll most probably be efficient for us in T20s&ODIs - bowl his whole spell upfront. However, something drastic needs to be done in order for him to hold up during Tests. Funds, and lack of desire from ZC mean he won't get the necessary help!
- I've seen Jarvis display a hint of swing both ways - would be even better in English/NZ conditions. Problem is he almost always gets hit upfront! The moment he fetches big in his first couple of overs he immediately drops pace, bowls more defensive and he's dancing to the batsman's tune for the rest of the time. Unfortunately, most of our Tests will be at home, so he'll have to learn how to do it at home first and trouble the top local batsmen while he's at it. Unlike Shingi, Vitori etc, he's not doing it(yet)!
- Meth is lazy! He's got enough bulk and strength to go quicker. Does have a rigid build so adapting his action wont be difficult. maybe there's something wrong with him!
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Re: [Match Thread] Rocks vs Tuskers T20

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hhm wrote:- All Shingi needs is a good run in the side.
I think you might be right there. Playing only the odd game knowing you are always the first in line to be dropped, does not make you feel relaxed and comfortable -- and I think that's excactly what Shingi needs to do when donning the red shirt: relax! And he must use his variations more intellegently on the international stage. Potentially Zim's best limited overs pace bowler.
- Vitori can gain consistency, but I doubt he'll have the stamina required to have consistent spells over a Test match. He'll most probably be efficient for us in T20s&ODIs - bowl his whole spell upfront.
Vitori's stamina is indeed a concern.
- I've seen Jarvis display a hint of swing both ways - would be even better in English/NZ conditions.
At this point Jarvis is more a test and FC bowler getting a bit of shape away from the right-handers at good pace. The spearhead of Zim's test attack for years to come. As an ODI or T20 bowler he is far from the finished article, but with the lack of tests I can understand why Streak wants to have him in squad at all times. However, what I don't quite approve of is the fact that Jarvis has become almost sacrosanct in all forms of the game.

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Re: [Match Thread] Rocks vs Tuskers T20

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Jemisi wrote:Jarvis swinging it both ways with an extra yard of pace is a good idea Hhm. So is Vitori gaining more consistency.
Shingi has been domestically consistent, but has to find his way to that internationally. Meth bowling quicker and retaining his swing would also be good. Question is which of these four needs is more likely to come about? If any?
Whether or not Meth is lazy i don't know but i have to say of the 4 possible outcomes, him gaining pace appears the least likely!

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foreignfield wrote:However, what I don't quite approve of is the fact that Jarvis has become almost sacrosanct in all forms of the game.
Yes, it is worrying...especially when he is not performing domestically either... a lot has been placed on his shoulders and it doesn't seem to be doing him any good!

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cock wrote:Most talk about Nathan Waller as a medium pace but he is quicker than Muzhange.
Muzhange will go the way of Pommie and Mupariwa ... don't expect to see him much (except maybe the odd T20) ... not enough pace. Therefore i am not sure N Waller being quicker than him is resume material. Waller, by all accounts (including the little i've seen him) looks a medium pacer!

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Re: [Match Thread] Rocks vs Tuskers T20

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hhm wrote:
Jemisi wrote:Jarvis swinging it both ways with an extra yard of pace is a good idea Hhm. So is Vitori gaining more consistency.
Shingi has been domestically consistent, but has to find his way to that internationally. Meth bowling quicker and retaining his swing would also be good. Question is which of these four needs is more likely to come about? If any?
- All Shingi needs is a good run in the side. Tell him you've got 5 ODI matches, or two Tests on the trot - toss him the new ball as was done to Brian&Kyle(ahead of Mpofu) and he'll do what he does for the Goats at international level. After all, the only way for him to translate that internationally is to play more - and he hasn't been selected enough. He's the most likely to produce because he's a complete seamer - pace, swing(limited), stamina, variety, experience etc. Quite remarkable when you consider that he's a late starter.
- Vitori can gain consistency, but I doubt he'll have the stamina required to have consistent spells over a Test match. He'll most probably be efficient for us in T20s&ODIs - bowl his whole spell upfront. However, something drastic needs to be done in order for him to hold up during Tests. Funds, and lack of desire from ZC mean he won't get the necessary help!
- I've seen Jarvis display a hint of swing both ways - would be even better in English/NZ conditions. Problem is he almost always gets hit upfront! The moment he fetches big in his first couple of overs he immediately drops pace, bowls more defensive and he's dancing to the batsman's tune for the rest of the time. Unfortunately, most of our Tests will be at home, so he'll have to learn how to do it at home first and trouble the top local batsmen while he's at it. Unlike Shingi, Vitori etc, he's not doing it(yet)!
- Meth is lazy! He's got enough bulk and strength to go quicker. Does have a rigid build so adapting his action wont be difficult. maybe there's something wrong with him!
Some constructive thoughts. Vitori may be better in the short formats, he does make me nervous. And when he is bowling below 120 in 2nd spells, he is just going to get smashed.

If we took away other seamers, and Shingi was forced to lead the attack - say because of injury, I can believe he would do a serviceable job. Perhaps he is the kind of player who needs the responsibility, or at least a more clearly defined role.

Jarvis has still a way to go, but he has as much realisable promise of any of the seamers. Getting the ball up and swinging early is often a confidence thing.

Not sure about Meth. I'd love him to bowl faster, but some guys do tend to lose swing when they do that, and Meth is nothing without it. If it as simple as him being lazy, then hopefully he gets his act together. He may need more technical help if it is more complicated than you suggest.

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