I just want to see Zimbabwe to keep improving. Ireland have had a similar tournament and Afghanistan have had worse. So I do agree that this is not a disaster by any means, in fact this has been good. Better than what we all expected.
I'll be very keen to see some changes in this batting order. Marumani comes in for sure, and there is a need for at least a couple of decent batters. I think we have to see the domestics and pick from there, J Campbell, Mashinge, whoever.. But some changes have to be made.
I Kaia actually was still a better option over Shumba for this WC, so was Marumani as an opener and he could have slotted in for Jongwe.
Anyways, I'm very sure Dave is having some plans in his mind. We've got Afghanistan in December and Ireland in January, and I'm expecting the team to go better.
On Burl, I think he deserves a longer rope. He is not doing enough but he has won games in the past, I'll stick with him.
Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Did Williams not supposedly retire from the longer format last year ? 
I can't keep up. We don't play much of it anyway. So if I was Hami I would ask Sean to "retire" from the longer format which would serve the purpose of him not having to play 3 months of Logan Cup cricket. Then from there get him to retire from ODIs next year but continue on in T20s until 2024. When the once in a blue moon test comes along they can just play him anyway
That would work I think. He rarely plays the domestic stuff anyway and it's not a surprise he is getting better as the tournament progresses. He was getting his match practice in
I can't keep up. We don't play much of it anyway. So if I was Hami I would ask Sean to "retire" from the longer format which would serve the purpose of him not having to play 3 months of Logan Cup cricket. Then from there get him to retire from ODIs next year but continue on in T20s until 2024. When the once in a blue moon test comes along they can just play him anyway That would work I think. He rarely plays the domestic stuff anyway and it's not a surprise he is getting better as the tournament progresses. He was getting his match practice in
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Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
^ Kaia is actually a classy player, but again not suited to T20's at all.
You need a team of guys who can all consistently go at 120+ SR, to be a seriously competitive team. Kaia isn't capable of that against top sides, just like Ervine, Reggie, Milton etc aren't capable. It's no slight on their overall ability though, they are all good players. But we've got to construct a team of hitters somehow. We've actually been really lucky that this has been a low-scoring tournament. If this was a tournament where 180-200 was the norm, we'd have been in trouble.
The problem is we have few alternatives who can bat like modern T20 players. It's not helped by the fact we play embarrassingly little domestic T20 cricket. And almost all cricket at every level in Zim is largely played in bowler-friendly conditions on grounds with enormous boundaries where 150 is an amazing T20 score
We've also got the problem of most coaches in the country at club and junior level (We don't have many anyway ) being pretty old-school and 'power hitting' not being in their vocabularies at all. Our schools and clubs train guys to play classy old-school cricket still. Which is fine, but most other countries have moved towards T20 cricket and we still haven't at the grassroots coaching level.
Marumani is the obvious candidate. He can hit it like basically no one else in the country bar Cephas. Wes is promising, especially against pace. Wildly inconsistent but to be expected - despite the number of games he's played these guys are still so young. He's shown enough.
Munyonga is an interesting one. I'm not convinced he's a very good player in general, but he can give it a tonk and is one of the few guys who has the confidence and swagger to say 'Right, I'm going to hit some sixes now' and back himself to actually do it. He's a good guy who works hard so there's probably something to work with there.
Madande is interesting. At school he was a big hitting slogger who bowled offspin. Now he has emerged at senior level as a wicketkeeper who has played some classy long-innings in the Logan Cup. So I'm not really sure what he will end up like. Probably worth a giving him a chance anyway seeing as Regis is in horrible form and the only realistic alternative is Mutumbami. I don't think Marumani is a credible long-term alternative with the gloves.
Other than that we have desperately few options for this format. I could be really left-field and say guys like Muchawaya and Musekiwa can hit some long balls but then we are really scraping the barrel.
You need a team of guys who can all consistently go at 120+ SR, to be a seriously competitive team. Kaia isn't capable of that against top sides, just like Ervine, Reggie, Milton etc aren't capable. It's no slight on their overall ability though, they are all good players. But we've got to construct a team of hitters somehow. We've actually been really lucky that this has been a low-scoring tournament. If this was a tournament where 180-200 was the norm, we'd have been in trouble.
The problem is we have few alternatives who can bat like modern T20 players. It's not helped by the fact we play embarrassingly little domestic T20 cricket. And almost all cricket at every level in Zim is largely played in bowler-friendly conditions on grounds with enormous boundaries where 150 is an amazing T20 score
We've also got the problem of most coaches in the country at club and junior level (We don't have many anyway
) being pretty old-school and 'power hitting' not being in their vocabularies at all. Our schools and clubs train guys to play classy old-school cricket still. Which is fine, but most other countries have moved towards T20 cricket and we still haven't at the grassroots coaching level.Marumani is the obvious candidate. He can hit it like basically no one else in the country bar Cephas. Wes is promising, especially against pace. Wildly inconsistent but to be expected - despite the number of games he's played these guys are still so young. He's shown enough.
Munyonga is an interesting one. I'm not convinced he's a very good player in general, but he can give it a tonk and is one of the few guys who has the confidence and swagger to say 'Right, I'm going to hit some sixes now' and back himself to actually do it. He's a good guy who works hard so there's probably something to work with there.
Madande is interesting. At school he was a big hitting slogger who bowled offspin. Now he has emerged at senior level as a wicketkeeper who has played some classy long-innings in the Logan Cup. So I'm not really sure what he will end up like. Probably worth a giving him a chance anyway seeing as Regis is in horrible form and the only realistic alternative is Mutumbami. I don't think Marumani is a credible long-term alternative with the gloves.
Other than that we have desperately few options for this format. I could be really left-field and say guys like Muchawaya and Musekiwa can hit some long balls but then we are really scraping the barrel.
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Agree with your Points SZ, which again brings us to the fact that T20 is the weakest format for Zimbabwe, yet I think we've done quite well.
On Kaia I think we should look at him as the anchor, I mean there is far too much of aggressiveness, and throwing away of wickets. I don't like that at all... I think Kaia can play a vital role of holding one end up, ala Kane Williamson and Steve Smith. Of course I'm not comparing him with those greats but just saying in terms of his role in the T20 side.
On Kaia I think we should look at him as the anchor, I mean there is far too much of aggressiveness, and throwing away of wickets. I don't like that at all... I think Kaia can play a vital role of holding one end up, ala Kane Williamson and Steve Smith. Of course I'm not comparing him with those greats but just saying in terms of his role in the T20 side.
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Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Zimbabwe qualified for this world cup (beating Netherlands).
Then In WC defeated Ireland and Scotland.
In Super12 it managed to win against Pakistan and playing at competitive level against both Bangladesh and Netherlands.
The glass is definetely half full.
I'm glad with what Zimbabwe has performed in 2022.
I'm disappointed with Ervine captaincy (maybe he is lacking motivations?)
What Zimbabwe players lack is the experience achievable in international T20 Leagues where they would face top world players continuously.
Then In WC defeated Ireland and Scotland.
In Super12 it managed to win against Pakistan and playing at competitive level against both Bangladesh and Netherlands.
The glass is definetely half full.
I'm glad with what Zimbabwe has performed in 2022.
I'm disappointed with Ervine captaincy (maybe he is lacking motivations?)
What Zimbabwe players lack is the experience achievable in international T20 Leagues where they would face top world players continuously.
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
If you're a Zim cricketer and you're not doing too well there are a couple of rules to stop you slitting your wrists-
1. Grow rhino hide
2. Stay off any cricketing page
3. Do a bit better.
People are cruel and harsh.
1. Grow rhino hide
2. Stay off any cricketing page
3. Do a bit better.
People are cruel and harsh.
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Overall a good world cup masked by Raza form and also our mostly excellent fast bowling.
Batting is a major worry.
Purge should start soon after the india game. Ervine chakhakbva and jongwe shumba need to leave the 20 20 arena. The first two for good and the latter for a prolonged period until they show meaningful improvement domestically
Batting is a major worry.
Purge should start soon after the india game. Ervine chakhakbva and jongwe shumba need to leave the 20 20 arena. The first two for good and the latter for a prolonged period until they show meaningful improvement domestically
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Can we see 2024 world cup with marumani and welch opening the batting? Hope so
Also what is deal with qualifiers? Are we automatic for 2024 world cup
Also what is deal with qualifiers? Are we automatic for 2024 world cup
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
Googly wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:02 pmGood points.secretzimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:49 pmErvine & Chakabva - these two remain amongst our finest cricketers, but clearly this is a format they struggle with massively. Also both getting old, and Ervine's captaincy constantly underwhelms. Defintiely time for both of them to concentrate on the longer formats going forward, where they can really contribute.
Shumba - Exceptionally poor recent T20 record, it really does beggar belief that he is anywhere near the team. He's played 18 T20I's this calendar year averaging 13 with a SR of 95. Horrifically bad for a batter who doesn't bowl. He's a talented lad and I think red ball cricket will prove to be his best format, so I'm not writing him off - there's definitely potential. But in T20's?!?! No way.
Jongwe - In bad form, is getting fatter, and the sponsor scam is a very bad look. Needs time out of the side because he's become a passenger. Back him to return though.
Burl - Somehow gets a free pass on this forum and on social media - very curious. He's a total passenger though, who has offered basically nothing in this tournament. Ervine doesn't trust his bowling for whatever reason. Bats at 7 as supposedly our 'big hitting finisher' and yet has a SR of only 108 from 20 matches this calendar year. Either give him a go batting in the top 4 or drop him.
There's also the question of whether Williams continues in this format. He's just had a new baby and I'm not sure he'll continue with all three formats. If he has to drop one, then probably he will drop T20's.
Might as well give Marumani, Munyonga and Madande a go after this tournament, in this format only. Whether they succeed or not is anyones guess. I remain doubtful.
A batting coach remains crucial. Preferably someone like Kirby who is going to relocate permanently to Zim and work with the franchise squads, not just the national team.
Don't older guys usually drop the longer formats?
We don't play enuf tests for him to consider that option surely?
Chakabva has had a shocker, poor guy. There's just no way he should be in T20 again, I have to agree. Threatens to deliver what we need but then ends badly.
Can't Houghton double as a batting coach?
A third non indigenous coach will initiate delirium tremens, I just don't see that happening.
A fair lineup is to bench
Chakabva for Madande wk
Shumba for Munyonga
Burl for Welly
Other players deserve a chance...
That performance against the Dutch was embarrassing
Re: Zimbabwe v Netherlands | T20 WC 2022 | Super 12 | Match Thread
I don't get the idea that we can't use the other guys because they just aren't good enough. What has Reggie, Milton, Jongwe, even Burl to an extent, brought to the team this tournament?
If these guys cannot perform, you lose nothing by switching them up. It is very clear from the last two games especially that Shumba is just not up to it, both as a batsman and a fielder.
We need to start having a proper structure in place for bringing the youngsters through and getting them to a competitive level. We are not doing that by carrying passengers.
If these guys cannot perform, you lose nothing by switching them up. It is very clear from the last two games especially that Shumba is just not up to it, both as a batsman and a fielder.
We need to start having a proper structure in place for bringing the youngsters through and getting them to a competitive level. We are not doing that by carrying passengers.