[Series Thread] Afg U19 vs Zim U19 in India

[jimmylesaint]

Exactly what i was going to say Sixes-fan!
A bowler who can't bowl hired as a bowling coach. :M:
A head coach who has been fired because he can't coach, hired as head coach.
A batting coach who is hired to be the gratuity white boy not the batting coach.
A Physio that was allegedly fired before for messing up someones shoulder and career, hired to do the same again.
A manager that is....well actually quite good but impotent. :5:

Then there is the selection process as was said to my son..." hey you boy are you going to stay in Zimbabwe forever to play cricket?"
Boy: "Yes sir."
Mangongo :"Well done you're in."

Just displays how thick and useless the ZC/SRC and Sports ministry are.

What's the stats- Mangongo 19 games with no wins?

[sixes fan]

& whats up with welch, byrom etc.... they refused 2 play ?
coz even considering quotas those 2 shouldve been on the squad
even as blacks ... we shouldve been selecting the other 13
lock, curtis, evans, hopper with automatic selection ...or they refused 2 play
coz zc might have selected nick & edward only neglecting the others &
being 2gether in the same team since high xul forced them 2 refuse the offer
coz i really cnt think of any reason zc will anounce a squad without welch & byrom
but of coz its zc an organisation that never ceases 2 amaze

as of mangongo & his losing streak he should be in the record books now
how hhm rates & defends him baffles me steve literally makes his results speak for him loudly & clear his not gud enuf ... lets try sumthing new
even the groundsman as headcoach just sum1 other than ngongo pliz
a month plus to the world cup we will get beaten by fiji if things dnt change
& obviously ngongo is already planning his race card
& why is the chairman silent he was quick to blast & comment about waller : coltart meaning he knows whats going around & what ppl are saying
selection first & foremost really how hard is it 2 play ur best players

[aydee]

coz i really cnt think of any reason zc will anounce a squad without welch & byrom

They are both involved in English cricket now, so I think it is safe to assume that they have no interest in Zim cricket at this stage. Just like Sam Curran, but obviously he has made more progress over there so far.

I don't know the specific details about the others, but I would imagine that it would be a very similar story.

Maybe the example of Burl can be useful. Someone who gave up on his UK degree in order to play cricket in Zim. He stuck at it and has been patient, and within less than 2 years is on the fringes of the national team. I feel it would be very useful if professional cricket in Zim involved more than just 4 teams (and correspondingly more matches). This would enable the best junior players to have the carrot of a professional contract and opportunities in First Class cricket dangled in front of them. At the moment, it would be difficult to break into one of the 4 franchises on a regular basis, plus they don't have many full time contracts available, plus there are less matches than in any other country. Not a very promising proposition for youngsters who may have other opportunities available to them.

[sixes fan]

@ aydee.... Yes they might have broken in2 the system
but they should know they have a very small chance 2 make the Enland
squad " as gud as they are " England wont play all 3 welch, byrom, curran
balance is a perfect example he has to make no mistake to kip his place in that squad or his out 2mrrw coz he is not 100% british unless they try
ireland but not a better option than us eg pj, craig, waller,
matt bentley etc
nick & byrom have more chances 2 make the national team & command places, become captains, leave room 4 complacency & still get paid big eg taylor here in zim than anywer elc.... with sam & tom curran + a still young gary balance still in the england squad there is no room for them no matter how gud they are
England is more " use only local" than us.
Sum1 must tell these guys its easier to make the squad & get paid 4 nthing in zc than anywer elc ..... u just have to bear 2 or 3 seasons eg burl is already on the verge of that Just 1 year & jackpot u get urself a central contract
otherwise none of them except sam curran will make the england squad... same as curtis in sa with all the quotas now coming up in csa he has more chances playing 4 us .... im most certain ryan murray will play international cricket ahead of them if he stays in zim

[afghankhan]

Don't be that worried. Some of Afghan players are really overaged.

For the final WC squad a few of them are even removed, so maybe there has been complaints and ICC has had a word with ACB.

[Googly]

I don't think any schoolboys leave Zim to specifically play for another country, that would be very presumptuous. They mostly leave on sporting scholarships to broaden their horizons and take advantage of greater opportunities than they are presented with here, not only on the sports field, but in general terms. If the 5 good schoolboys playing cricket outside were to avail themselves for selection it's obvious that they wouldn't all be picked, they've all seen the unfairness of the system first hand, and it's not nice. I'm not saying they've been personally subjected to it all, in fact they've all been given great opportunities here. I doubt that any of them are in a position to take time out for the WC anyway.
I've said this before, if any of them do end up playing professionally overseas, (which in itself is difficult) and at some point wish to return to Zim and continue playing here I'm certain that they would be a lot better than if they had just plied their trade here.
Take Ryan Murray, he's a really good player. He's stayed in Zim and has another year of school. I will bet that he leaves for either a South African or an English university because he will want a good education because professional cricket here is not an option, then what? He won't be able to play franchise cricket here until he finishes his degree and by then he will probably be a part timer and won't be that interested and it's impossible to blame him. It's happened to most of the previous u19 guys. A few of them have tried English club cricket and not done particularly well, it's competitive out there and you have to not only be exceptional, but doggedly single-minded.

[Googly]

It's why the health of our cricket is not only linked to the cricket system that we currently have, but it's definitely more linked to the state of the economy, which will most certainly never recover to previous levels. Again the brutal truth is that it was almost completely supported by a predominantly white economy/community and player base. ZC continue to spread propaganda (in order to continue getting funding) about it having reached grass roots amongst the black community, it will only ever be a fringe sport despite what ZC would like us to believe. I'm not disputing that plenty of black kids haven't been exposed to it, but very few are any good, fewer still are serious about it or have the love for it, there are hardly any facilities, equipment or decent coaches to speak of, and the situation is dire. Out of the 10 million population ZC can only pick a small handful of very mediocre high density sides. If they pick a combined side like Chipembere they can't usually beat a top school side. To get some perspective England's population is 60 million and they have around 15 000 cricket teams and their authorities are worried about the waning popularity of their game?

[Googly]

And they have the shortest summer and the worst weather in the world outside of Greenland and sport is not compulsory in their government schools. If you look at how ZC has messed up our beloved game it's as if someone had chosen a panel of experts picked specifically to destroy something. If we look back I think we can safely say that they have not missed a single opportunity to dismantle our game.

[Flakeman]

100% agree Googly.

[Kriterion_BD]

Good points googly. perhaps cricket was never a viable sport in Zimbabwe long term? There are plenty of small countries that are on the sporting fringes of the world. Take Austria for example. Wealthy country, next to zero corruption, but small population and when was the last time an Austrian team did seriously well in a team sport in a top level international competition? They just can't compete with Germany, France, Spain, Italy, England, or Russia.