Cremer, Williams, and Masakadza move up rankings

[Conant]

Kriterion, granted we can safely dismiss pariah as a shameless troll and dispense with him; but I'm also struggling to understand why you would exhibit such bias against certain players, namely Hamilton and Panyangara, even when statics speak so loudly for them.

I mean even to venture that a player only played against "Bangladesh and Pakistan", just so you can discredit them? Really? In fact, why even mention Pakistan in the same breadth as Bangladesh, weren't these guys the World Test number one just a year ago. When has Pakistan ever been so weak hat that records or wickets against them are rendered largely meaningless? This boggles the mind.

Or is operation OPPOSE PARIAH EVERYTIME that so as long as he punts a player then that player will have to be proved bad?

Because these arguments make no sense.

I though intelligent automatically means one possesses sound judgement? Are you y are being willfully biased.

I understand that you don't like Hamilton much as a small team bully and he has in many eyes eyes underperfomed but to dismiss Tinashe Panyangara's figures is truly astonishing.

[Jemisi]

I think one can be smart and foolish at the same time. Plenty of intelligent people lack sound judgement.

Panyangara is not rubbish, the measured assessment gets lost in the Hhm extremes.

Kriterion and I have had plenty of disagreements over Hami but the conversation tends to go somewhere because both parties are productive contributors.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Masakadza is clearly a quality cricketer. Has he underperformed as Conant says... you could argue that I guess. My gut feeling is he's talented enough to be a 40 average batsman yet he's only a 30 average batsman. But you have to put it in context though, lots of people will argue that Alistair Campbell was a good Test batsman yet HM will end his career with a better record.

As for Panyangara, he's got a good Test record from a small number of matches. My gut says that his quality as a cricketer is closer to his ODI stats than his Test stats but I guess we'll never really know.

Masakadza will go down as one of Zimbabwe's best batsmen. I don't think Panyangara will go down as one of Zim's best bowlers though, he just didn't play enough games.

[pariah]

As for Panyangara, he's got a good Test record from a small number of matches. My gut says that his quality as a cricketer is closer to his ODI stats than his Test stats but I guess we'll never really know.

Contrast that with your views on Cremer.

Junk extrapolated = gold

Excellence extrapolated = mediocrity?

[brmtaylor.com admin]

As for Panyangara, he's got a good Test record from a small number of matches. My gut says that his quality as a cricketer is closer to his ODI stats than his Test stats but I guess we'll never really know.

Contrast that with your views on Cremer.

Junk extrapolated = gold

Excellence extrapolated = mediocrity?

We'll never know with Panyangara. But Cremer's played double the number of Tests that TP has and has proven himself to be a world class allrounder in that time.

[Conant]

Anyone who ever saw Panyangara bowl with the new ball will realize he was as good as anybody we have ever seen in Zimbabwe colors, Heath included.

Eddo Brandes was like this.

Tinashe's one day figures got messed in the dearth overs where people stuck to the old tradition of reserving 3 overs for the fast bowler without realizing quick enough that he is useless there and needed to be used more effectively and bowled out entirely.

Anyway we won't need this, we've got Chatara and he's a s complete as they come.

[pariah]

As for Panyangara, he's got a good Test record from a small number of matches. My gut says that his quality as a cricketer is closer to his ODI stats than his Test stats but I guess we'll never really know.

Contrast that with your views on Cremer.

Junk extrapolated = gold

Excellence extrapolated = mediocrity?

We'll never know with Panyangara. But Cremer's played double the number of Tests that TP has and has proven himself to be a world class allrounder in that time.

Only thing Cremer has proven is that ZIM will win nothing with him, and his stats back that up resoundingly!

[pariah]

Anyone who ever saw Panyangara bowl with the new ball will realize he was as good as anybody we have ever seen in Zimbabwe colors, Heath included.

Eddo Brandes was like this.

I don't think there's ever been a better new ball bowler for ZIM than Panyangara

[eugene]

Contrast that with your views on Cremer.

Junk extrapolated = gold

Excellence extrapolated = mediocrity?

We'll never know with Panyangara. But Cremer's played double the number of Tests that TP has and has proven himself to be a world class allrounder in that time.

Only thing Cremer has proven is that ZIM will win nothing with him, and his stats back that up resoundingly!

Zimbabwe have won plenty with him and his stats resoundingly back up the fact of how integral he has been to those victories. The way you go on, you would think Zimbabwe won the World Cup with Panyangara opening the bowling.

[eugene]

More nonsense from pariah. Jarvis has picked up the NZ wickets of Brendon McCullum (bowled), Martin Guptill (bowled), Kane Williamson (lbw), and Ross Taylor (lbw) among others.

that famous useless target-setting innings. Ok. I'll take the name of Williamson.

Now do the same and bring up the names of Panyangara's scalps.

You don't rate Brendon McCullum?