ESPNCRICINFO reports that Gary Ballance has retired from all cricket - does anybody know details, what happened ?

[zimbos_05]

Average of 47 in a better league yes but why not translate that onto the international stage? Despite playing better league he still have the same average at international cricket with someone who supposedly plays a shit league. So what does that say about him? They both average the more or less the same at international level.

Not everyone succeeds at international level straight away. The fact that Ballance scored 2 half centuries in his short spell proved he has the skills. Again, through use of simple maths (and I'm an English teacher so anyone can figure this out), Regis would not have scored a half century in any of these series.

We get it. You hate Gary and have an agenda against him. That you are the minority says a lot. Just accept that

[secretzimbo]

The other thing to point out is that all of Ballance’s England ODI’s were in the lower-scoring pre-2016 era. Also that England team in that era were really poor in ODI’s. So it’s not like he was surrounded by an amazing team.

I’m also willing to bet Ballance played against higher ranked opposition more often than Chakabva.

[jontym87]

What experience in White-ball cricket? Well to show how biased you are, how about we get Chakabva and fill out that middle order gap. Averages more or less the same as Ballance in Whitehall but he has played more games than Ballance so he has more experience.

I see you’re going to shout at me here but it’s facts they have the same average and different experience. What’s special about Ballance and not Chakabva?

Of everyone here, I've tried to be quite chill with you. I haven't attacked you or been mean in anyway. I've agreed with you on some points and seen things from your side too. However, since you are going there, let's go there.

White ball cricket is not just ODI, it is also List A.

Ballance averages 47.44 in List A
Chakabva averages 27.40 in List A.

One of them played in a significantly tougher domestic set up their whole career, and averages over double the other. Ballance has also played less List A games than Chakabva and done much better.

In ODIs, you are right. Ballance avereges 25.22. Chakabva averages 22.00. Ballance has a slightly higher average. They both have 4 half centuries, however, Chakabva has 1 century which he scored against Bangladesh last year. Took him 14 years after his debut to get his first century.

The difference is that Chakabva has played 61 ODIs and Ballance has played 21. Chakbava has played just under 3 times more ODIs than Ballance and yet still has a worse average, and same amount of 50s. Through simple maths, one could deduce that had Ballance played 61 ODIs, he would have scored 12 50s -at his current rate- and at least 1 century. All of those extra games Chakabva has played and yet somehow that experience has led to him having worse stats.

Ballance is no messiah, however he is a skilfully better player. It's as simple as that. By your logic, it doesn't matter who you pick because whats the difference. They can all hold a bat and hit a ball, what do we need to worry about the rest for.

I've never attacked you and i do apologise if you felt that way.

You said it took Regis 14 years to get his first century after his debut. Garry its 10 years and still counting. Mind you Chakabva makes the side as a specialist keeper (despite being made to open batting recently blah blah blah) and Gazza is a top order batsmen.

Your statistical calculations are partly correct about Garry Ballance. Only wrong assumptions is thinking at this rate he will score at least 1 hundred.

see below:

Projected 50+ Scores = (Number of 50+ Scores so far / Number of Innings so far) x Number of Innings in the projection
= (4 / 20) x 61
= 12.2 (rounded to 12)

To calculate the projected number of 100+ scores, we can use the same method:

Projected 100+ Scores = (Number of 100+ Scores so far / Number of Innings so far) x Number of Innings in the projection
= (0 / 20) x 61
= 0

[jontym87]

Average of 47 in a better league yes but why not translate that onto the international stage? Despite playing better league he still have the same average at international cricket with someone who supposedly plays a shit league. So what does that say about him? They both average the more or less the same at international level.

Not everyone succeeds at international level straight away. The fact that Ballance scored 2 half centuries in his short spell proved he has the skills. Again, through use of simple maths (and I'm an English teacher so anyone can figure this out), Regis would not have scored a half century in any of these series.

We get it. You hate Gary and have an agenda against him. That you are the minority says a lot. Just accept that

But you ignoring that he made is debut 10 years ago. I don't hate him and never been personal. All my arguments been based on facts and figures. Being in the minority doesn't necessarily mean i'm wrong.

[zimbos_05]

I've never attacked you and i do apologise if you felt that way.

You said it took Regis 14 years to get his first century after his debut. Garry its 10 years and still counting. Mind you Chakabva makes the side as a specialist keeper (despite being made to open batting recently blah blah blah) and Gazza is a top order batsmen.

Your statistical calculations are partly correct about Garry Ballance. Only wrong assumptions is thinking at this rate he will score at least 1 hundred.

see below:

Projected 50+ Scores = (Number of 50+ Scores so far / Number of Innings so far) x Number of Innings in the projection
= (4 / 20) x 61
= 12.2 (rounded to 12)

To calculate the projected number of 100+ scores, we can use the same method:

Projected 100+ Scores = (Number of 100+ Scores so far / Number of Innings so far) x Number of Innings in the projection
= (0 / 20) x 61
= 0

You came on pretty strong and some of your words were very much in that vain.

Garry hasn't played ODIs for 8 years. Hard to score a century when you're not playing. Regis on the other hand has been playing regularly.

I get the maths. I agree. I went off how did Regis do at the same stage. After 22 games, Regis' highest score was 45. Gary already has 4 half centuries by the same point. So based off of that trajectory, one would assume he will score a century well before that time.

Being in the minority doesn't necessarily mean i'm wrong.

True. However, you are providing facts and getting rebuffed by facts, so it's pretty hard to understand how you think you are the only one who is right here.

You said he needed to play Logan Cup to get lay of the land. He scored a century on debut so that rebuffs the Logan Cup argument.

You argue his average of 25 if poor, yet fail to acknowledge he did not play an ODI for 8 years and that he has scored the same number of half centuries (2 of which came in Zim colours) as Regis is much less games. You also ignore his List A average, which is way higher than Regis, which proves his talent.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Soem arguments were made by Jonty that Garry didn’t seem ‘fluent’ in white hall cricket.

That’s irrelevant because the truth is Garry has NEVER looked fluent. He is the most awkward looking batsman I’ve seen in a big 3 team, BUT, that’s just optics.
Slick and sleek batting doesn’t translate to big runs. Just means a batsman can hold a pose like a dancer.
Garry looks unco but he always got the job done.

[jaybro]

Sorry fellas I can’t be bothered reading through all the crap,

Have we got confirmation or anything close to solid about what’s happened here? Or we still going off Jonty’s not so well hidden suggestion Gary failed a drug test?

[jontym87]

I've never attacked you and i do apologise if you felt that way.

You said it took Regis 14 years to get his first century after his debut. Garry its 10 years and still counting. Mind you Chakabva makes the side as a specialist keeper (despite being made to open batting recently blah blah blah) and Gazza is a top order batsmen.

Your statistical calculations are partly correct about Garry Ballance. Only wrong assumptions is thinking at this rate he will score at least 1 hundred.

see below:

Projected 50+ Scores = (Number of 50+ Scores so far / Number of Innings so far) x Number of Innings in the projection
= (4 / 20) x 61
= 12.2 (rounded to 12)

To calculate the projected number of 100+ scores, we can use the same method:

Projected 100+ Scores = (Number of 100+ Scores so far / Number of Innings so far) x Number of Innings in the projection
= (0 / 20) x 61
= 0

You came on pretty strong and some of your words were very much in that vain.

Garry hasn't played ODIs for 8 years. Hard to score a century when you're not playing. Regis on the other hand has been playing regularly.

I get the maths. I agree. I went off how did Regis do at the same stage. After 22 games, Regis' highest score was 45. Gary already has 4 half centuries by the same point. So based off of that trajectory, one would assume he will score a century well before that time.

Being in the minority doesn't necessarily mean i'm wrong.

True. However, you are providing facts and getting rebuffed by facts, so it's pretty hard to understand how you think you are the only one who is right here.

You said he needed to play Logan Cup to get lay of the land. He scored a century on debut so that rebuffs the Logan Cup argument.

You argue his average of 25 if poor, yet fail to acknowledge he did not play an ODI for 8 years and that he has scored the same number of half centuries (2 of which came in Zim colours) as Regis is much less games. You also ignore his List A average, which is way higher than Regis, which proves his talent.

I do apologise that my words 'were in that vain'.

Regis you said has been playing regularly? Thats a bit harsh, thats an average of 4 ODI games per year! His games came in leaps and bounds between November 2015 - April 2019 he was out of the side never played a single game.

Garry has played only 13 out of 21 matches against top Nations where as Chakabva only 11 of his 61 were against minor sides.

Scoring a hundred without any cricket can be a fluke anyone can do it. Hamilton did it on debut from class onto the pitch then what happened afterwards? The way he was integrated in the side was completely wrong and set a very very bad precedent. What message did that sent to the rest of the players? If someone had played a race card then and said Ballance is walking straight into the side without playing cricket how would you argue against that? Now we have cricketers like Ben Curran and Byrom because they have played a bit of county cricket they see these things happening obviously they will take a piss on ZC and start acting funny should they avail themselves for national selection. They will have the mentality that we can walk into the team as long as we coming from a county background. What i am saying here policies are policies they should be adhered to. Regis went to Australia and was told you will not be selected if you don't play any domestic cricket mind you he is the official vice captain. SO here we have a case of Animal Farm.

[jontym87]

Soem arguments were made by Jonty that Garry didn’t seem ‘fluent’ in white hall cricket.

That’s irrelevant because the truth is Garry has NEVER looked fluent. He is the most awkward looking batsman I’ve seen in a big 3 team, BUT, that’s just optics.
Slick and sleek batting doesn’t translate to big runs. Just means a batsman can hold a pose like a dancer.
Garry looks unco but he always got the job done.

Wait go back and watch most of his county innings and England Test Innings you will be shocked how fluent he batted that i give him on tough conditions unlike in Zim on those bowlers' graveyards. In white-ball he has never been fluent at least on the international stage and that has continued.

[mnelson68]

I trust DH has a plan. Ballance was his plan A for the rebuild but a call from somebody as important as DH could convince the guys out there. Its the only way. The future of ZC is in his hands and I doubt he will let it die on his watch.

What I can honestly see for the near future is Regis coming back, Burl moving into the middle order Curran, Welch and Byrom being spoken to. I don't see Raza abandoning us just yet. There will be a lot of salary space. What I know is that if they could convince Ballance to give up his Yorkshire salary then they can anybody. Not 100% sure about Byrom but I think Welch can be convinced. Let's see what happens

Regis is not the answer , he's had his day. Bring in Campbell as the replacement for Ballance and Bennett must be in the mix as well.