ZIMBABWE(A) VS IRELAND, AFGHANISTAN & BANGDLADESH A

[jaybro]

Just for the record Malcolm isn't in my side for me he is in the Vusi Sibanda boat, go back score a ton of runs then maybe.

He's already done that. Droped after one match(something tht didn't happen to say Craig or Coventry after their long unfruitful return). So he doesn't need to go back and score runs again. The problem with Vusi Sibanda is that they completely refuse to let him bat in his favoured position. That's the problem.

As for Maruma if he scores a ton of runs sure he deserves another chance in the end of the day if you're scoring runs the selectors can't ask anymore of you. But from what I've seen of Timmy he would be better off trying to bowl leg breaks again

That's precisely what he has done. All he needs now is to get time to prove that he's not good as you say, or good as I argue. The only difference is you deny and refuse his right to that time.


NB: I really don't understand why you guys find it easier to fiercely argue why someone who has earned a right to be there should not be included, yet none of you have explained how Malcolm Waller found himself in the squad to begin with. I think that's a very concerning symptom of this forum. Some guys are even arguing with me about Diplock, yet still they haven't - without being prompted by any comment of mine - raised questions about Malcolm's presence in the first place. That's the very same thing that happened when guys came from nowhere and found themselves in the team. Even Tristan is too afraid to have his name on record against such. Such things tell a big story about this forum.

Vusi had 5 innings back in the side and didn't pass 50 so he was dropped .....

Maruma has been injured since his last failure in BD I believe ??

For the record I'd have Waller before Maruma because Waller has shown he can score runs at this level whilst Timmy hasn't also Waller is bowling agin now where Maruma isn't ...... Happy ??

[foreignfield]

NB: I really don't understand why you guys find it easier to fiercely argue why someone who has earned a right to be there should not be included, yet none of you have explained how Malcolm Waller found himself in the squad to begin with. I think that's a very concerning symptom of this forum. Some guys are even arguing with me about Diplock, yet still they haven't - without being prompted by any comment of mine - raised questions about Malcolm's presence in the first place. That's the very same thing that happened when guys came from nowhere and found themselves in the team. Even Tristan is too afraid to have his name on record against such. Such things tell a big story about this forum.

The reason is simple: People respond to the diatribes you are constantly turning out because of the way you put in them in the absolute. That you have the knack of getting under peoples' skins should not be news to you.

Stuff like Waller being picked in the squad does not get the same responses because
a) nobody starts threads about him such as "SELECT MALCOLM NOW!!!" and then goes on to argue that in some purple patch he has statistically outperformed all comers and is only kept out of the side by a sort of paternal conspiracy between his old man and AC.
b) he was a fringe selection at best -- and I for one can only shrug my shoulders
c) beyond our core batsmen the cupboard really is bare -- if we play Chari we might as well play Waller. It's the same with Vusi: He's been in squads when he was not in form and had not scored any runs in domestic cricket. Are Kaia, Mamhiyo, Kasuza or Burl any better? -- I wouldn't have minded one of them playing instead of Waller but it's nothing that sets my pulse racing.
d) neither did Mutombodzi's selection provoke an outcry when his current credentials as a spin bowler are nothing to write home about and his batting is of the "improving but not yet setting the domestic scene alight" type.

For the record: I don't think Waller deserves to be in the team.

[bavuma_rabada]

foreignfield there is a significant difference between stats based assertions and plucking responses out of thin air to annoy. It's natural fo rpeople to get annoyed when points that ar eraised are points they avoid out of convenience. I do not toe the line.

Thank you for mentioning Mutombodzi. He is one of those I have selected in pretty much every squad I think. That's what this is about. But I have to disagree with you there. He has done well in th elOgan Cup for a numeber of seasons, and even assumed capataincy if I'm not mistaken. I said it at the time that there are several players ahed of Mutombodzi in the bowling department.

If people were to raise any outcry it should be at Whatmore & Ziehl. How can you select Mutombodzi as a spinner ahead of Mushangwe&Wellington? That's if he was picked as a spinner not batsman(where he arguably has a case). In any case, Mutombodzi didn't bat at 8, someone else did. Hs batting therefore was as bad as anyone you can think of

Kaia, Mamhiyo, Kasuza or Burl all did well too, Kaia topping the Pro50 charts. Kasuza&Mamhiyo can keep, Kaia is a promosing allrounder, never mind his batting. So whether or not they are any better is something that can only be proven through sustained exposure same with the others. For now it's unfair opinions to say they are not good. Bear in mind that Chari did wel in domestic cricekt, and was included in ZC's development squad that's always in camp. He too deserves a similar run before conclusions are drawn.

All these players above have a justifiable case to be there in view of Zimbabwe cricket's future.

[GregorPJ]

foreignfield there is a significant difference between stats based assertions and plucking responses out of thin air to annoy. It's natural fo rpeople to get annoyed when points that ar eraised are points they avoid out of convenience. I do not toe the line.


Kaia, Mamhiyo, Kasuza or Burl all did well too, Kaia topping the Pro50 charts. Kasuza&Mamhiyo can keep, Kaia is a promosing allrounder, never mind his batting.

All these players above have a justifiable case to be there in view of Zimbabwe cricket's future.

Mamhiyo can't keep. Do you just like to make things up?

[bavuma_rabada]

Do you just like to make things up?

Well at least now you're familiar with my modus operandi.

[foreignfield]

I said I'd rather have one of those youngsters in the side, hhm.

The problem I have with stats from recent domestic seasons is that the absence of national team players has weakened the competition. How many wickets did Chatara and Panyangara take in the last Logan Cup, how many runs did Hami, Taylor, Raza score? Of course you can only play the opposition in front of you, and of course this hinders the development of young talent, and it is a massive problem going forward if the Logan Cup is really reduced to three matches only -- but on the other hand our proven batsmen tend to average between 60 and 80 in the Logan Cup whenever they turn up. Most of the young'uns hover in the 30-40 range (with significantly worse FC career records not even affected by Test matches), that's not exactly pushing for selection (and Waller averaging around 30 is in the same category: not pushing for selection).

I do not begrudge Chari his current status as the next batsman in line. He deserved it with gutsy performances in domestic cricket and the BD A tour (yet he looked very much out of his depth in the Tests). But what do you expect of a batsman who doesn't even average 30 in FC over a prolonged period?

And one last thing before I go: You constantly imply that "the forum" as a whole has nothing but sinister racial motives (as in racism against blacks) in everything "it" says. I do take exception to that, not only personally but also for a very large portion of this forum. I am fully aware that there are racial undertones and slurs in the posts of some forumites (more often than not provoked by you), but most of what you make out as a huge racial prejudice against black players is in truth nothing but a slight bias towards memebers of one's own community. Zimfan1 once wrote a great post about this. I must confess that I'm slightly biassed towards black African players because what first got me into Zim cricket were the Mbangwas, Olongas and Watambwas and not the Grippers, Whittals and Campbells. Believe me, I'm constantly bigging up young black players in my mind, I desperately want the Kasuzas, Mufudzas and Mumbas to dominate world cricket ... I'm still sulking from the fact that hyping up Cephas aka "The Rock" aka "The Big Bully" Zhuwao's achievements in lower level English club cricket hasn't earned him another cap

But speaking of racial undertones: you might want to take a look at yourself and the way your whole thinking revolves around the racist assumption that due to the wrongs of the past a white player has to perform twice as good as a black player to be of the same worth to Zim cricket.

I know that you won't embrace this, so I'll leave it at that.

[bavuma_rabada]

Yah Cephas should have been tried long ago. I have him in my T20 side as you can see.

It would do you no harm to page through the forum pre August 2015 so glean through the non provoked comments...almost 2 years of "bliss". My own similar personal exercise has left me dumbfounded.

[bavuma_rabada]

Matches overlap so it will be impossible to exclude seniors from the selectors' perspective, but I feel there's enough fringe players to cope without using the incumbents.

Will be interesting to see who is picked for the Afghanistan ODIs and the 4 day match against Ireland. Will Ziehl & Whatmore go for 24 "new" players in both games?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v- ... 19599.html
1st ODI: Zimbabwe v Ireland at Harare on Oct 9, 2015
2nd ODI: Zimbabwe v Ireland at Harare on Oct 11, 2015
3rd ODI: Zimbabwe v Ireland at Harare on Oct 13, 2015
Tour Match: Zimbabwe A v Ireland at Harare on Oct 17-20, 2015

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v- ... 24621.html
Tour Match: Zimbabwe A v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Oct 8, 2015
Tour Match: Zimbabwe A v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Oct 10, 2015
Tour Match: Zimbabwe A v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Oct 12, 2015
1st ODI: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Oct 16, 2015
2nd ODI: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Oct 18, 2015
3rd ODI: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Thu Oct 22, 2015
4th ODI: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Sat Oct 24, 2015
5th ODI: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Sat Oct 24, 2015
1st T20I: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Tue Oct 27, 2015
2nd T20I: Zimbabwe v Afghanistan at Bulawayo on Thu Oct 29, 2015

[jimmylesaint]

I've decided HMV must be an Admin worker at ZC.
Reason: Only they could have enough time doing nothing to post so much on the forum.

[jaybro]

Ryan Burl posted on twitter " Game time! First game against Afghanistan tomorrow "

He must be in the side to play the warm up match against the Afghanis .....

Anyone else have any info on who is in the side ??