TEAM FOR SECOND TEST GENTS

[jaybro]

So Hami should just open the batting, roll his arm for 10 overs while Craig taking up his spot, is under no danger of doing anything else, and Malcolm scratches his backside while batting at number 7?

You want him to bowl one minute than next minute you don't

Eugene & Zimdoggy are right we should be concerned for your mental health

[pariah]

If that's what you read then good for you...

[jaybro]

This page shows it was actually BT who bowled Hami more often than either Utseya or Chigumbura

Masakadza seemed to bowl well under Utseya but it was BT who used him more

Utseya & Chigumbura bowled Hami in LESS THAN 50% of matches they captained

Under BT Hami bowled in OVER 75% of matches

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

[CrimsonAvenger]

Utseya and Chigumbura used Hami extensively. Why in discussing a particular point must we lump everyone together.

Prove that.

I already did. I posted the stats recently. Look them up in the forum.

As always if you're more focused on defending the captaincy of BT and Cremer, as well as the bowling of Sean and Raza, there's no way you'll absorb the evidence.

Would be great if you can share the link.

Also, the last part there is ridiculous and not what I'm claiming, as this is what I said:

Taibu was the last intelligent skipper we had but he did not have the resources to showcase his intelligence.

[jaybro]

As always if you're more focused on defending the captaincy of BT and Cremer, as well as the bowling of Sean and Raza, there's no way you'll absorb the evidence.

Also, the last part there is ridiculous, as this is what I said:

Taibu was the last intelligent skipper we had but he did not have the resources to showcase his intelligence.

Another perfect example of Hhm not reading what others write and then goes off on tangent ranting and raving

[foreignfield]

This page shows it was actually BT who bowled Hami more often than either Utseya or Chigumbura

Masakadza seemed to bowl well under Utseya but it was BT who used him more

Utseya & Chigumbura bowled Hami in LESS THAN 50% of matches they captained

Under BT Hami bowled in OVER 75% of matches

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

Thanks for the stats. I automatically associate the "golden arm" era with BT's captaincy--not so much because Pro and Chigs didn't use Hami but because we didn't play Test cricket under them.

But it's still puzzling that Cremer hardly ever bowls Hami.

Overall I have been critical of BT's captaincy in the past (he got better over time, though) but compared with Cremer ... I wouldn't be adverse to a change in captaincy back to BT, tbh.

[pariah]

Would be great if you can share the link.

I do that far too often. Even if I do share it, what difference does it make from the last time?

Someone else will go on a tangent trying to twist the stats or calling those stats cooked when they are downright obvious.

Taibu was the last intelligent skipper we had but he did not have the resources to showcase his intelligence.

It takes nothing away from I said.

We can discuss who are the best cover and gulley fielders in the team but that doesn't mean BT and Cremer have employed them there. Being captain doesn't mean Taylor must be the one at slip if he is employing a solitary slip but he still placed himself there regardless. Do other captains do that no? Can untouchable Taylor be criticised for that on ZCF no?

So many cricketing discussion are never had here.

In no other forum would you find a situation where Williams is being suggested as a number 8 simply because he's been horrible with the bat and picked up some wickets. There is for ever 2nd chances and rehabilitation for everyone except those waiting for their chances or apparently dropped "legitimately".

[jaybro]

So Williams should be dropped for taking 6-111 ?

[strikerlube]

Hey guys, thought I'd add my two cents in. Great game but some positives for us. My team would be the same as last except sadly Bobby out for Chatara, which I feel shit for and would fully understand arguments against that. Reasons : bowling wasn't so much an issue so not going to include an extra bowler (given the same pitch).

Also the batting was poor in the first pretty solid in the second so maybe just stick with the guys. And Chakabva is keeping well for the amount of overs , just stick with the bloke he will score and can grind.

TL DR: I say we minimize changes, maybe mpofu out for chatara sadly

[Mr Twig]

Streak all but confirms same team for second test.