[Match Thread ] Singapore Tri Nation T20 Game 1 | ZIM V/s NEP

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Some faith restored. Burl and Mutumbami very good rescue
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Zimbos got out of jail there, nonetheless win is a win.

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Well in T20s the top order is really irrelevant unless you are chasing big targets of 170+ or so. Unlike in ODIs, even if you are 10-4 in the 3rd over, a single partnership of 100 off 70 balls will take you to 110-5 around the 15th over. If you have decent capable all rounders or big hitters, you can still get to 160 (even more if you have an Andre Russell).

Top order wickets aren't that important in T20s.
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I did say Nepal won't be easy and that both Craig and Moor won't want to find themselves in that XI and batting in the top order.

However, while the batting nnings had an excuse, the fielding innings did not.

First of all, what do you expect when you stack your side with non-bowlers? Zimbabwe went into the match with only 2 frontline bowlers, and this is a specialist format. I can understand Singapre, but you simply cannot disrespect Nepal like that!!! The squad had enough talent to avoid such disrespect. Where are Ngarava, Mashinge, and even Jakiel? Is that not the point of this tour?

Let this be the last time someone criticises Hami, Elton and Utseya's captaincy - they set a low bar but we got blunder after blunder from BT and Cremer thereafter. Sean Williams shows that bar can go even lower. What reason could you have possibly had to bring yourself on for Wellington so early? And what reason did you possibly have to pull Chatara for Madziva? Especially after the start they had. What game where you watching at that stage? What logic is there for Burl to have bowled 2 overs by the end of the 10th over, same as both Wellington and Chatara? And that against a side that would definitely have been at least 4 down for less than 20 runs by the 6th over, had that pair bowled them? Was 4 overs from those 2 bowlers later in the game so important that you had to risk Zimbabwe losing? These are foreign conditions, and when the opposition has got a champion spinner against ZImbabwean batsmen, 140 runs is nothing!

Nepal had one major trumpcard, and guess what? He bowled 3 overs on the trot up front!!! And his quota was over by the 14th over! Williams and coach - outsmarted by an Associate!

I've already said this Rajput is a pathetic strategist. No doubt as captain Williams had input in the XI composition. Question is who is the on tour selector? Lovemore Banda? :roll: Madziva alongside Ngarava would have been enough after Chatara+Wellington. How on earth do you have both Mutombodzi and Chakabva batting in the top 3 in T20s? In such a weak T20 bating order, Maruma's role shoul dnto be consolidating from 5, but blasting from 3. Zhuwao may have fallen early, or he might have blasted Lamichhane out of the attack. After he got Regis, your only big hitter in that XI Maruma, should have been thrown in. And after realising your mistake Sean, it was not the time to lead form the front but throw Maruma in. You have horrible form with the bat, and this is a world class spinner. Mutombodzi's wicket, your wicket, and the Chari runout(pressure for runs) was your fault Sean!!! Had Lamichhane bowled another over I'm pretty sure Zimbabwe would have lost.

Who are Zimbabwe's bowlign allrounders, and who are Zimbabwe's batting allrounders? Mistaken identity is hurting Zimbabwe.

This is akin to us going into the Tests against India relyring on the spin of Faf and Markram. And I'm pretty sure both Faf and Hamza bowl better legspin than Burl on their worst days.

Mutumbami is clearly trying to transfomr his game and be more aggressive, but I'm still adamant he doesn't belong in this format. If he believes in himself, and they will maintain this batting order, then he must open with Chari, and Maruma at 3. It's clear Burl is not keen. If Moor come he can open with Mutumbami, and Chari drops to 4, Maruma still at 3. Those four must score the bulk of the runs at a crazy strike rate. Otherwise this tour is a failure.

NB: Did Kamnhukamwe and Ndlovu go on this tour? If he is then this is the order:
Moor, Kamunhukamwe, Maruma, Chari, Mutumbami(wk), Williams(c), Mashinge, Wellington, Ngarava, Chatara. If Ndlovu is on th etour pick him as the 11th player. If not then they can pick whoever as the 11th player - Burl, Madziva etc.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:42 pm
Well in T20s the top order is really irrelevant unless you are chasing big targets of 170+ or so. Unlike in ODIs, even if you are 10-4 in the 3rd over, a single partnership of 100 off 70 balls will take you to 110-5 around the 15th over. If you have decent capable all rounders or big hitters, you can still get to 160 (even more if you have an Andre Russell).

Top order wickets aren't that important in T20s.
That's why BD are a poor T20 side and Mushy & Shakib bat too low. Especially if Tamim is there.

Your argument does not makes sense in PSL, CPL, IPL, BBL or Mzansi? Where does it make sense?
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Richmond to the rescue. About right. This team is now close to Southern Rocks standard.

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encore wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:08 pm
Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:42 pm
Well in T20s the top order is really irrelevant unless you are chasing big targets of 170+ or so. Unlike in ODIs, even if you are 10-4 in the 3rd over, a single partnership of 100 off 70 balls will take you to 110-5 around the 15th over. If you have decent capable all rounders or big hitters, you can still get to 160 (even more if you have an Andre Russell).

Top order wickets aren't that important in T20s.
That's why BD are a poor T20 side and Mushy & Shakib bat too low. Especially if Tamim is there.

Your argument does not makes sense in PSL, CPL, IPL, BBL or Mzansi? Where does it make sense?
BD are a poor T20 side because none of the batsmen are consistent. Mushy, Shakib, Riyad all average low 20s, and you need to average 30 to be considered anything near world class. By contrast they all average around 40 in ODIs and Tests (except Riyad).
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Yeah pretty sad state of affairs, scraping across the line against Nepal, I realise it was an under strength side Zim put out, but remember some people here think they’re better off without BT, KJ, Ervine etc

Lineup again puzzling, why is Mutombodzi batting @3?? He’s bit & pieces cricketer not an international No.3, I get they’re trying to experiment but surely trying Burl @3 made more sense?

Yes Lamichhane is a good bowler but the top order made him look like Warne, Rashid & Kumble rolled into one.

The infamous 8-3 lineup has crept back into the setup, people ridiculed Streak for it but once again another Zimbabwe coach has implemented it.
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The infamous 8-3 lineup has crept back into the setup, people ridiculed Streak for it but once again another Zimbabwe coach has implemented it.
Back then the 3 were much better, not to mention the 8.

I'm just saddened by how pathetic Zim cricket is now. The admin don't care, the ICC don't care, the public don't care.

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encore wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:06 pm
I did say Nepal won't be easy and that both Craig and Moor won't want to find themselves in that XI and batting in the top order.

However, while the batting nnings had an excuse, the fielding innings did not.

First of all, what do you expect when you stack your side with non-bowlers? Zimbabwe went into the match with only 2 frontline bowlers, and this is a specialist format. I can understand Singapre, but you simply cannot disrespect Nepal like that!!! The squad had enough talent to avoid such disrespect. Where are Ngarava, Mashinge, and even Jakiel? Is that not the point of this tour?

Let this be the last time someone criticises Hami, Elton and Utseya's captaincy - they set a low bar but we got blunder after blunder from BT and Cremer thereafter. Sean Williams shows that bar can go even lower. What reason could you have possibly had to bring yourself on for Wellington so early? And what reason did you possibly have to pull Chatara for Madziva? Especially after the start they had. What game where you watching at that stage? What logic is there for Burl to have bowled 2 overs by the end of the 10th over, same as both Wellington and Chatara? And that against a side that would definitely have been at least 4 down for less than 20 runs by the 6th over, had that pair bowled them? Was 4 overs from those 2 bowlers later in the game so important that you had to risk Zimbabwe losing? These are foreign conditions, and when the opposition has got a champion spinner against ZImbabwean batsmen, 140 runs is nothing!

Nepal had one major trumpcard, and guess what? He bowled 3 overs on the trot up front!!! And his quota was over by the 14th over! Williams and coach - outsmarted by an Associate!

I've already said this Rajput is a pathetic strategist. No doubt as captain Williams had input in the XI composition. Question is who is the on tour selector? Lovemore Banda? :roll: Madziva alongside Ngarava would have been enough after Chatara+Wellington. How on earth do you have both Mutombodzi and Chakabva batting in the top 3 in T20s? In such a weak T20 bating order, Maruma's role shoul dnto be consolidating from 5, but blasting from 3. Zhuwao may have fallen early, or he might have blasted Lamichhane out of the attack. After he got Regis, your only big hitter in that XI Maruma, should have been thrown in. And after realising your mistake Sean, it was not the time to lead form the front but throw Maruma in. You have horrible form with the bat, and this is a world class spinner. Mutombodzi's wicket, your wicket, and the Chari runout(pressure for runs) was your fault Sean!!! Had Lamichhane bowled another over I'm pretty sure Zimbabwe would have lost.

Who are Zimbabwe's bowlign allrounders, and who are Zimbabwe's batting allrounders? Mistaken identity is hurting Zimbabwe.

This is akin to us going into the Tests against India relyring on the spin of Faf and Markram. And I'm pretty sure both Faf and Hamza bowl better legspin than Burl on their worst days.

Mutumbami is clearly trying to transfomr his game and be more aggressive, but I'm still adamant he doesn't belong in this format. If he believes in himself, and they will maintain this batting order, then he must open with Chari, and Maruma at 3. It's clear Burl is not keen. If Moor come he can open with Mutumbami, and Chari drops to 4, Maruma still at 3. Those four must score the bulk of the runs at a crazy strike rate. Otherwise this tour is a failure.

NB: Did Kamnhukamwe and Ndlovu go on this tour? If he is then this is the order:
Moor, Kamunhukamwe, Maruma, Chari, Mutumbami(wk), Williams(c), Mashinge, Wellington, Ngarava, Chatara. If Ndlovu is on th etour pick him as the 11th player. If not then they can pick whoever as the 11th player - Burl, Madziva etc.
It’s 20/20 you have to rotate your bowlers around early otherwise you could find yourself stuck without options at the end of the innings, all the good sides rotate their bowlers early if you watched any cricket you would know this. Also they pretty much did the same thing with Ndolvu & Williams against Bangladesh & Afghanistan under Hamilton 😂😂😂

As for the Nepalese yes they bowled Lamichhane 3 straight at the start but there’s a few big differences, Lamichhane is a wicket taker & took 1 wicket in his 1st over & 2 in his second. Wellington is more of a containing spinner who works on drying up the runs to take his wickets, very different bowlers & very different match situations. Also worth noting once Lamichhane bowled out early Zimbabwe got home in a canter as Nepal had used up the overs from all their good bowlers and were left without many options at the end.

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