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Both have now finished school in the UK, what are their plans?

Byrom seems to be in the fringes of the Somerset side but Wekch does not seem to be making much of an impression at all.

Any updates from our insiders?

Both the boys have almost passed their teens, it makes me wonder if they are really that talented as we think. At their age, Gary Ballance was already playing for full strength Yorkshire, and he was one of their key players.

zimbofan88 wrote:Both the boys have almost passed their teens, it makes me wonder if they are really that talented as we think. At their age, Gary Ballance was already playing for full strength Yorkshire, and he was one of their key players.

Welch is as talented if not more than Ballance.. This is a boy, who at 15, scored 40s/50s against Vitori, Chatara and co.. Ballance had Uncle Dave Houghton to map the road for him and remove any obstacles.. Welch is better.. The kid was playing First Class/List A in Form 3!!!! it's unheard off, ever, in Zim

Get them in the team! They are wasting their time in England.

They are wasting time in pomland.
They ARE talented, but England doesnt bring out their best attributes.

In my opinion, they could almost be on 6 figure salaries in the country they know and love by now.

I think its the environment and coaching.
It can bring out the best and the worst in a player.
The same principle applies in other sports as well.

Remember;
Servine,Flower and especially Blignaut were epic fails in the Aussie domestic scene after the walkout, all were good players.
Taylor and Elton have been mild dissapointments in England. Someone like Ballance however grew amazingly in England in a way he never did in Zim.

I think growing up playing cricket a certain way in a certain area in a certain culture on certain pitches makes the player you are. You are familiar to what you know.

Zimbabwean batters seem to be classically trained in a quiet cricket atmosphere with bouncy type of pitches. I also *assume* they thrive better in a close knit cricketing community where everyone knows everyone, as is the case in Zim.

Some players perform better in their hometowns around the world, and as we all know, every country seems to struggle in overseas conditions.
If you look at Zimbabwe and England as countries, one is relatively laidback, warm, outdoorsy.

The other is cold,wet,bustling and frantic.

I think all these issues are all the symptoms of the same tree.

I am just speculating however. By no means am i saying this as gospel truth.

They all chase a dream in the UK but most of them won't make it.. had Welch stayed I'm pretty sure he would have made his debut by now.. The one mistake I think they made was not playing for Zim in the u19 world cup..that would have given them the right exposure and their talents would have been there for all to see. the Matigimu bowler people always talk about learns in SA but still played and was given a chance to shine.

ZIMDOGGY wrote:They are wasting time in pomland.
They ARE talented, but England doesnt bring out their best attributes.
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I think growing up playing cricket a certain way in a certain area in a certain culture on certain pitches makes the player you are. You are familiar to what you know.

Zimbabwean batters seem to be classically trained in a quiet cricket atmosphere with bouncy type of pitches. I also *assume* they thrive better in a close knit cricketing community where everyone knows everyone, as is the case in Zim.

Some players perform better in their hometowns around the world, and as we all know, every country seems to struggle in overseas conditions.
If you look at Zimbabwe and England as countries, one is relatively laidback, warm, outdoorsy.

The other is cold,wet,bustling and frantic.

I think all these issues are all the symptoms of the same tree.

Precisely the kind of reasons Ray Price gave when he came back from his Worcs stint to rejoin Zim, almost shockingly. And needless to say, he went on to become World no. 2 bowler in ODIs in his second coming.

This definitely plays a big role.

ZIMDOGGY wrote:They are wasting time in pomland.
They ARE talented, but England doesnt bring out their best attributes.

In my opinion, they could almost be on 6 figure salaries in the country they know and love by now.

I think its the environment and coaching.
It can bring out the best and the worst in a player.
The same principle applies in other sports as well.

Remember;
Servine,Flower and especially Blignaut were epic fails in the Aussie domestic scene after the walkout, all were good players.
Taylor and Elton have been mild dissapointments in England. Someone like Ballance however grew amazingly in England in a way he never did in Zim.

I think growing up playing cricket a certain way in a certain area in a certain culture on certain pitches makes the player you are. You are familiar to what you know.

Zimbabwean batters seem to be classically trained in a quiet cricket atmosphere with bouncy type of pitches. I also *assume* they thrive better in a close knit cricketing community where everyone knows everyone, as is the case in Zim.

Some players perform better in their hometowns around the world, and as we all know, every country seems to struggle in overseas conditions.
If you look at Zimbabwe and England as countries, one is relatively laidback, warm, outdoorsy.

The other is cold,wet,bustling and frantic.

I think all these issues are all the symptoms of the same tree.

I am just speculating however. By no means am i saying this as gospel truth.

GARY BALLANCE WAS TOP SCORER FOR RHINOS IN 2011-12 LOGAN CUP, BUT THE SELECTORS DOESNT GAVE HIM CHANCE DUE TO THAT RUBBISH QUOTA & RACIAL SYSTEM.


WELCH & BYROM SHOULDN'T COME BACK TO ZIM AGAIN, OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO WARM IN THE BENCH BEING DEPRIVED OF RACIAL QUOTAS AND CARRY WATER FOR THOSE USELESS SENIORS LIKE THE UNDER 19 PLAYERS DO IN ZIMBABWE.

WE MIGHT SEE TALENTED SNYDER, IVES, SLY, MURRAY, KEFEE IN UK....

ZIMBABWE WILL LOOSE MORE TALENTS IN FUTURE AS YOUNG CRICKETERS HAVE NO FUTURE IN ZIMBABWE

STONEMAN wrote:

GARY BALLANCE WAS TOP SCORER FOR RHINOS IN 2011-12 LOGAN CUP, BUT THE SELECTORS DOESNT GAVE HIM CHANCE DUE TO THAT RUBBISH QUOTA & RACIAL SYSTEM.

Definitely not true. He was already an established county player by then, and on England's radar. He wasn't about to throw that away.

This may well be a fairly accurate, albeit too brief, breakdown of his early career.
http://www.ecb.co.uk/stats/player-profi ... y-ballance