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Olivier has really regressed. 76mph lolly pops. The country system really did ruin him when he was a Kolpak.

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sloandog wrote:
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Olivier has really regressed. 76mph lolly pops. The country system really did ruin him when he was a Kolpak.
County system really does seem to pour water on spicy bowlers

We saw it with Jarvis too
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Does anyone come back from country cricket a better bowler?
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my theory is the county system moulds bowlers for county conditions and county only.

They probably are better bowlers within that fishbowl but worse off beyond it.
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Olivier went badly in county cricket overall though. By the end of his contract, he was mainly in Yorkshire's 2s. He definitely wasn't moulded into a really good County Championship bowler. Dane Paterson is currently a very successful county bowler though.

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Proteas have put up a much better fight in this second test, could still possibly win it, although will need some Piedt magic.
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Just realized after reading an article on cricinfo that Rabada is the only black African selected in South Africa's squad for The T20 WC 2024!

5 other players of color are selected, so it's a total of 6 players all of whom will make the squad even on merit.

Given that South Africa officially have transformation targets, this is a bold step.

Can we possibly see 9 white players selected in a Zimbabwe squad anytime in future, if all of them deserve a place on merit? That will be interesting to see because Zimbabwe don't have any official transformation targets.

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sam_ahm wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 2:16 pm
Just realized after reading an article on cricinfo that Rabada is the only black African selected in South Africa's squad for The T20 WC 2024!

5 other players of color are selected, so it's a total of 6 players all of whom will make the squad even on merit.

Given that South Africa officially have transformation targets, this is a bold step.

Can we possibly see 9 white players selected in a Zimbabwe squad anytime in future, if all of them deserve a place on merit? That will be interesting to see because Zimbabwe don't have any official transformation targets.
Does Zimbabwe have 9 white cricketers in the system?
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The sack the transformation targets off for a World Cup because they want the best chance of winning, they’ll be back for meaningless bilateral’s though. Shows how much faith they really have in the system.

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eugene wrote:
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sam_ahm wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 2:16 pm
Just realized after reading an article on cricinfo that Rabada is the only black African selected in South Africa's squad for The T20 WC 2024!

5 other players of color are selected, so it's a total of 6 players all of whom will make the squad even on merit.

Given that South Africa officially have transformation targets, this is a bold step.

Can we possibly see 9 white players selected in a Zimbabwe squad anytime in future, if all of them deserve a place on merit? That will be interesting to see because Zimbabwe don't have any official transformation targets.
Does Zimbabwe have 9 white cricketers in the system?
Yeah, it could be possible. Ervine, Williams, Burl, Campbell, Bennett, Evans, N Welch, B Curran - That's 8 players who could genuinely be inline for 2027 WC selection... And that's without considering the Asian origin players like Raza, Naqvi, Akram who could also be in the running.

Realistically, even if we rule out B Curran, the other 7 are very much a possibility to be a part of the squad or even the playing XI.

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