Re: U-19 trial tournament,2020
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:57 pm
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If I've done the math correctly, Chatara has played 40 % (28/70) of his ODIs against associates, Jarvis 37 % (18/49).
I always said that Zim will produce talent. There's something in the water that allows us to have naturally gifted sportmen. The problem is that they do not go on to achieve the heights they should because of the management.
foreignfield wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:00 pmIf I've done the math correctly, Chatara has played 40 % (28/70) of his ODIs against associates, Jarvis 37 % (18/49).
Both have played BD most often out of Test teams (KJ 13 -- TC 11) with similar results.
Jarvis has decent averages in the low 30s from only a handful of matches against India (3) and SL (2), and terrible averages against SA, NZ, WI (4 matches each), he's played Pak only once and never against Aus and Engl. He had only two outings against Afg as he was with Lancs when we played them a lot, but got to feast on UAE (av. of 11 fom 5 matches).
Chatara has definitely feasted on Afg (av. 23 from 13 matches), but he also has outstanding stats against SA and SL (av. 24/25 from 6/7 matches) and his av. of 29 against Pak from a significant number of matches (7) is still very decent. Terrible against India (7) and WI/Aus (2 matches each), he has somewhat suprisingly never faced NZ, and of course England.
Stats are here:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... pe=bowling
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... pe=bowling
Or Tendai Jarvis or Kyle Chatara.eugene wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:15 amforeignfield wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:00 pmIf I've done the math correctly, Chatara has played 40 % (28/70) of his ODIs against associates, Jarvis 37 % (18/49).
Both have played BD most often out of Test teams (KJ 13 -- TC 11) with similar results.
Jarvis has decent averages in the low 30s from only a handful of matches against India (3) and SL (2), and terrible averages against SA, NZ, WI (4 matches each), he's played Pak only once and never against Aus and Engl. He had only two outings against Afg as he was with Lancs when we played them a lot, but got to feast on UAE (av. of 11 fom 5 matches).
Chatara has definitely feasted on Afg (av. 23 from 13 matches), but he also has outstanding stats against SA and SL (av. 24/25 from 6/7 matches) and his av. of 29 against Pak from a significant number of matches (7) is still very decent. Terrible against India (7) and WI/Aus (2 matches each), he has somewhat suprisingly never faced NZ, and of course England.
Stats are here:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... pe=bowling
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... pe=bowling
So basically if we combined Chatara and Jarvis into Tendyle Charvis we would have a pretty good player.
It’s ok having the raw talent. It has to be nurtured in the right way and by the right people. If that isn’t in place then they will always remain raw and be nearly or should have men!zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:29 amI always said that Zim will produce talent. There's something in the water that allows us to have naturally gifted sportmen. The problem is that they do not go on to achieve the heights they should because of the management.
Happens in most of our sports. We could have a really strong Rugby side too, but the infrastructure and administration does not help us achieve the heights we could.
With cricket you only need to look at the number of players we have lost to know that the talent is always there. It's a case of having it nurtured and coached properly, and also having the right admin in charge to look over it.
Take NZ for example, their population is 5 million-ish, yet they somehow always produce good cricketing talent and they compete at the highest level. Zim has a population of close to 15 million. Granted it's lower than what it could be due to people leaving, but it's still pretty high and for a cricketing nation, you would expect to produce at least 20-30 good cricketers a year with a population like that.
That was basically my point, which is why we have seen many players not achieve at the lofty heights they should have. I count players like Hammy, Vusi, Elton, Prosper, PJ, Burl all in that list.ManOfMystery wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:40 pm
It’s ok having the raw talent. It has to be nurtured in the right way and by the right people. If that isn’t in place then they will always remain raw and be nearly or should have men!
They haven't just "cropped up", that's not how it works, I've mentioned them before, in fact here's a copy of it -sloandog wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:01 pmExcellent.
I really hope we manage to keep hold of some of these boys, although I’m not holding out much hope.
Still waiting for this apocalyptic day that googly has been predicting where we don’t produce any news talent..all of a sudden a young quick lad called Erasmus appears and then two lads who can ‘really bat’ crop up..