Post Big 4 era

[Xlife]

Thats pretty clearly not what he was fucking saying. If anything he was complimenting the progress of black players and saying nowadays they are actually 'good' rather than back in the day when they WERE token.

Don't be dumb please... he's implying that a good Zim team would have only 3 or so black players yet in reality, it's more likely the other way round

If the entire 100% diaspora around the world was available? You're deluded if you think more than 2 would be black at the current time. It's a fact. It's not racist.

Of the ones that are a REALISTIC probability... How many are proven better than the current players we have? Just because they play abroad and are white doesn't automatically make them better players.

The ones that are good at first class or higher will not realistically play for Zim, they will likely take their chances with a steady paycheck, stable economy and the chance to play for their host nation (look at PJ Moor). Of the remaining lot, if they can't make a first class side, what makes you think they can be great at international level?

[secretzimbo]

Don't be dumb please... he's implying that a good Zim team would have only 3 or so black players yet in reality, it's more likely the other way round

If the entire 100% diaspora around the world was available? You're deluded if you think more than 2 would be black at the current time. It's a fact. It's not racist.

Of the ones that are a REALISTIC probability... How many are proven better than the current players we have? Just because they play abroad and are white doesn't automatically make them better players.

The ones that are good at first class or higher will not realistically play for Zim, they will likely take their chances with a steady paycheck, stable economy and the chance to play for their host nation (look at PJ Moor). Of the remaining lot, if they can't make a first class side, what makes you think they can be great at international level?

If we are being 'realistic', then yes you are right. The conversation originally was a hypothetical one I believe though.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Don't be dumb please... he's implying that a good Zim team would have only 3 or so black players yet in reality, it's more likely the other way round

If the entire 100% diaspora around the world was available? You're deluded if you think more than 2 would be black at the current time. It's a fact. It's not racist.

Of the ones that are a REALISTIC probability... How many are proven better than the current players we have? Just because they play abroad and are white doesn't automatically make them better players.

The ones that are good at first class or higher will not realistically play for Zim, they will likely take their chances with a steady paycheck, stable economy and the chance to play for their host nation (look at PJ Moor). Of the remaining lot, if they can't make a first class side, what makes you think they can be great at international level?

I’ll even spell out a batting lineup so your little pea brain doesn’t have to think and as usual, misinterpret and draw your own stories.
It’s also for the rest of the forum.

1. Ballance
2. Welch
3. Ervine
4. BT
5. Williams
6. De Grandhomme
7. Curran
8. Curran

You may notice I didn’t even have room for Hilton Cartwright, Higgins, Murray,and Byrom and I purposely excluded Jayden Goodwin as he was raised elsewhere.
All the above were in the Zimbabwean system at some point and all had played u19s or stated aspirations to play for zim

Of the current black crew Blessing makes it.
Players like Regis potentially would as he would have had to work harder to make the team. Wes would be thereabouts and Muyeye would be upcoming but not here yet.

So yeah we are down to one now + the potential player who was a never was because our cricket team never held his interest growing up because we kept losing when they were in their formative years.
And in years gone by, a player like Hamilton would have retired after a genuine test average of 40s.
Because he would have actually have had to try to retain his place and make the team. Rather than peak at age 19 and spend the next 15 years getting fat and occasionally showing glimpses of motivation.
A culture of excellence inspires those to rise.

This is all a sliding doors moment after 2001.

[Zimco]

Who would the bowlers be? Raza could also be in the squad. Especially in one dayers. Ngarava could also be in the team.

My ODI team of players who have played some Zim pathway cricket and could potentially still be playing; also somewhat considering current form is.

Ballance
Welch/Raza
Ervine
BT
Williams
Sam Curran
De grandhomme
Tom Curran
Cremer
Ngarava
Blessing

BT would have to keep/stay fit

[ZIMDOGGY]

Who would the bowlers be? Raza could also be in the squad. Especially in one dayers

Raza would be around but as backup.
And chances are even in the best setup one or two players would still slip through.

Bowling is a bit harder because that’s where the lack of playing pool is felt most.

We would still have Cremer as the spinner at number 9, and I’d say Melton and Blessing are the bowlers with the other Curran
Curran completing the attack.
Perhaps even Cartwright after all as a bowling all touched in the Bliggie vein.
It’s also entirely possible Chatara and Jarvis are still around, managed better and with less injuries and better rehab.
Pace will always be an issue for us and that won’t have changed much in the better system. But it would be better.

[Xlife]

If the entire 100% diaspora around the world was available? You're deluded if you think more than 2 would be black at the current time. It's a fact. It's not racist.

Of the ones that are a REALISTIC probability... How many are proven better than the current players we have? Just because they play abroad and are white doesn't automatically make them better players.

The ones that are good at first class or higher will not realistically play for Zim, they will likely take their chances with a steady paycheck, stable economy and the chance to play for their host nation (look at PJ Moor). Of the remaining lot, if they can't make a first class side, what makes you think they can be great at international level?

I’ll even spell out a batting lineup so your little pea brain doesn’t have to think and as usual, misinterpret and draw your own stories.
It’s also for the rest of the forum.

1. Ballance
2. Welch
3. Ervine
4. BT
5. Williams
6. De Grandhomme
7. Curran
8. Curran

You may notice I didn’t even have room for Hilton Cartwright, Higgins, Murray,and Byrom and I purposely excluded Jayden Goodwin as he was raised elsewhere.
All the above were in the Zimbabwean system at some point and all had played u19s or stated aspirations to play for zim

Of the current black crew Blessing makes it.
Players like Regis potentially would as he would have had to work harder to make the team. Wes would be thereabouts and Muyeye would be upcoming but not here yet.

So yeah we are down to one now + the potential player who was a never was because our cricket team never held his interest growing up because we kept losing when they were in their formative years.
And in years gone by, a player like Hamilton would have retired after a genuine test average of 40s.
Because he would have actually have had to try to retain his place and make the team. Rather than peak at age 19 and spend the next 15 years getting fat and occasionally showing glimpses of motivation.
A culture of excellence inspires those to rise.

This is all a sliding doors moment after 2001.

Rather bizarre list... I'm talking about realistic possibilities not pie in the sky fantasies:


1. Not realistic, never playing for Zim and can still make England squad in the future

2. Yes, good player and deserving as he is highly rated as a prospect in county cricket. Which means he is also unrealistic as he is eligible and possibly will be good enough to play for England

3. Too old and retiring soon but for now, good enough for Zim

4. Retired so unrealistic

5. Too old and retiring soon but for now, good enough for Zim

6. Never playing for Zim,
7/8 . Both never playing as England prospects

Someone like Muyeye is also not a realistic possibility because of how highly he is regarded in England.

What evidence is there that Hilton Cartwright, Higgins, Murray, Byrom and Goodwin are more talented and promising than Shumba, Myers, Wes, Muzarabani?

[Zimco]

Xlife there is a possibility all of these players could have played for Zim as they did play for Zim at one stage. See my list up top zimdoggy.

I'll have to look up Melton, never heard of him. What level did he play for Zim up to?

Welch is mostly getting picked on talent/looking to the future so you could substitute muyeye, Wes, etc depending on who is in most form and takes the chances.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Of the ones that are a REALISTIC probability... How many are proven better than the current players we have? Just because they play abroad and are white doesn't automatically make them better players.

The ones that are good at first class or higher will not realistically play for Zim, they will likely take their chances with a steady paycheck, stable economy and the chance to play for their host nation (look at PJ Moor). Of the remaining lot, if they can't make a first class side, what makes you think they can be great at international level?

I’ll even spell out a batting lineup so your little pea brain doesn’t have to think and as usual, misinterpret and draw your own stories.
It’s also for the rest of the forum.

1. Ballance
2. Welch
3. Ervine
4. BT
5. Williams
6. De Grandhomme
7. Curran
8. Curran

You may notice I didn’t even have room for Hilton Cartwright, Higgins, Murray,and Byrom and I purposely excluded Jayden Goodwin as he was raised elsewhere.
All the above were in the Zimbabwean system at some point and all had played u19s or stated aspirations to play for zim

Of the current black crew Blessing makes it.
Players like Regis potentially would as he would have had to work harder to make the team. Wes would be thereabouts and Muyeye would be upcoming but not here yet.

So yeah we are down to one now + the potential player who was a never was because our cricket team never held his interest growing up because we kept losing when they were in their formative years.
And in years gone by, a player like Hamilton would have retired after a genuine test average of 40s.
Because he would have actually have had to try to retain his place and make the team. Rather than peak at age 19 and spend the next 15 years getting fat and occasionally showing glimpses of motivation.
A culture of excellence inspires those to rise.

This is all a sliding doors moment after 2001.

Rather bizarre list... I'm talking about realistic possibilities not pie in the sky fantasies:


1. Not realistic, never playing for Zim and can still make England squad in the future

2. Yes, good player and deserving as he is highly rated as a prospect in county cricket. Which means he is also unrealistic as he is eligible and possibly will be good enough to play for England

3. Too old and retiring soon but for now, good enough for Zim

4. Retired so unrealistic

5. Too old and retiring soon but for now, good enough for Zim

6. Never playing for Zim,
7/8 . Both never playing as England prospects

Someone like Muyeye is also not a realistic possibility because of how highly he is regarded in England.

What evidence is there that Hilton Cartwright, Higgins, Murray, Byrom and Goodwin are more talented and promising than Shumba, Myers, Wes, Muzarabani?

ALL the players I listed were born and raised in Zim and left due to corruption.
Ballancw went because his uncle Dave advised him again
T it because how turbulent it was at the time and he could get him a gig, and did.
The Curran’s played and even captained junior cricket, one of them (Sam?) said in an interview as a kid he wanted to captain Zim.
Admittedly the dad dying played a big part there. As it is Ben is potentially coming back.
The big 4 played and BT wouldn’t have retired in a good system, even in the bad one he played.
Welch would be back if Zim wanted it enough even now. Patriotic family.
Meltons dad is on a Facebook group and has explicitly said he made the sacrifice and sent him away because of ZC corruption and De Grandhomme senior did something similar because I remember the chatter here ten years ago.

So nothing is unrealistic about any of that. It’s only unrealistic when viewed through the reality of the past 20 years corruption.

There’s a big theme of parents shielding their kids from ZC whilst setting them up for a life abroad.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Even right now, with Houghton rumoured to be a prime contender for head coach, I would not put it past Ballance returning if he has a lean season next.
A bit of a stretch and a lot would have to happen but it’s possible.
Lure of a World Cup, spend increased time with family, a guaranteed international career and uncle as coach….
Worse offers out there.

[Donald]

Ngarava hero to villain. He will have inconsistent days. Still young and still has a bright future