OK sounds like you're ready to have a serious discussion. I'll go point by point, and may add some points that have been mentioned elsewhere:Googly wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:09 amMaybe you've misconstrued them. I believe in a level playing field for all. I have a big issue with any form of affirmative action as a means of doing it, mainly because in Zim and SA we are on the receiving end and have been for for a very long time. Ive seen the results of it as well- chaos and a much lower standard of living and opportunities for practically everyone but the elites. It's created real skepticism in a generation of white kids here, which means in fact that they're not trying to eradicate racism at all, they're just trying to get ahead and happy to be racist in order to do so, that's the unpalatable truth of it. The trick is to buy time by making people be profoundly sorry for something they didn't do.
Pulling a previously disadvantaged group up by dragging another group down is the very definition of racism. The hypocrisy of that is sickening. Its coming to a head in America with the increasing backlash to CRT. I've actually been doing a lot of reading about it and listening to talks, it's astonishing what's going on and it's plain wrong. Being anti all of the above does not make me right wing.
The truth of the matter is that in a lot of instances where there is strong affirmative action (this is a good description for a plethora of ways where people get MORE than equal opportunity) only a small percentage of people manage to take advantage of it. Is there ever going to be a cut off whereby someone says, listen you've had long enough, let's make the playing field level again, or are more ways going to be invented to keep it going eg CRT.
Is this a right wing bigoted post? It's a genuine question.
Whoever thinks so is actually the racist.
Anyway onto a different topic- looks like Rafiq is facing more discomfort.
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1) Affirmative Action. I view this as something like a can of worms being opened by history. It like not wearing a condom and then catching sypillis. Its not that syphillis is a good thing, its that not wearing a rubber was mistake with consequences. As children growing, we begin to learn that mistakes have consequences. As adults, we learn that debts will always have to be repaid with interest. We know that history has some unsavory elements in it committed by our forefathers, well the universe cannot be expected to change the "mistakes have consquences" rule just because some white people might feel uncomfortable. After all conservatives have adopted the mantra that "facts don't care about feelings". Well the corollary to that is that consequences don't care about anything, they just happen.
People can be sued in court to pay damages just for harming their reputation or business. So shouldn't reparations be paid for harming the lives of millions of people, even if those directly impacted have long since passed? Courts pay the families of deceased people all the time, so living victim is also not a requisite. Asides from morality, there isn't even a legal precedent for being opposed to some form of restitution. Now what that restitution would look like precisely is a valid point of discussion IMO. Do you just give checks to individuals? Do you pay institutions? Do you not pay anything and just give tax credits? Could be anything IMO.
2) Level Playing field. Suppose in a Bangladesh vs Zimbabwe cricket match, every run Bangladesh scores is doubled. When Zimbabwe comes to bat, the umpires decide to only count the runs Zimbabwe actually scores, because those are the fair rules of cricket. Level playing field in the Zimbabwe innings, isn't it? But the problem is the game didn't start with the Zimbabwe innings. It started with the Bangladesh innings where the field was not level. So in the next match, Zimbabwe should get "affirmative action" in their innings, in order to REALLY even the field for the series.
3) CRT. I am admittedly not an expert on CRT myself. But from what you know about it, what is your precise objection to CRT?